Well, I say we need a balance; there needs to be a way to get more energy, but we can't use it forever. Kind of like getting oil out of shale deposits; it's a more difficult, but finite crutch until we can work out a permanent solution.
Edit: my humble final submission.
Thanks. I'd just like to point out that A. getting energy like that requires rolls, most likely, and B. once we run out we're likely in about the same boat...
Jbg97:
1. Is, not was.
It had to be used u at some point for it to be used up now. LOGIC.
I am taking it from one point in time, not the whole past. That would require me to be taking a four-dimensional chunk of energy rather than a three-dimensional one, which is an interpretation of my action that makes no sense and which I do not hold. LOGIC.
2. You're not Xantalos, and neither of you has that power as far as I've seen.
Your logic says he has that power.
No, yours does.
3. I assume this goes to 2? Even if he can manipulate the borders of our universe, that doesn't mean he can touch any other, nor can he somehow force us to enter another. Make our universe merge with some other? Maybe, but I doubt it.
You said you can affect other universes by taking their power, why can Xantalos not affect other universes while you can?
I'm not affecting OTHER universes, I'm affecting OUR universe. Which branches off into another, unrelated to ours, when I fiddle with it.
4. My logic is based on one simple point: Our universe follows the many-universe hypothesis of time. If this is not true, I will accept the consequences and admit that I was wrong. However, I have not been proven wrong, so I am not wrong. Yet, at least.
I should say the same.
Then please do so, because this is rather vague.
5. Why not? You're assuming that the GM will assume I'll ruin his game by stopping everyone from unmaking everything. If he hadn't made the comment about people unmaking everything to repair their own creations, I wouldn't have done that. Inputting more energy into the system somehow is pretty much needed until we can get some kind of organization, which is improbable with the two "factions" plus neutrals as it is now.
No, I assume the GM will disallow it because it breaks the point of having kilos in the first place, a limit to what can be created. Also, it gives you unlimited power which is unfair to everyone else.
Again, rolls, which means that while there's less scarcity there is still scarcity. Also, I have pretty much no plans to abuse this power (if it works), or to block others from manipulating time so long as it's left intact. Finally, the GM should have probably thought twice before giving one guy control over space
and time if a +1 or +2 is that vital.
6. Which part, the many-universes stuff or the stuff-not-good-for-a-story stuff? In the former case, I would argue that it is not, in fact, bad for the story, for reasons about to be named; in the latter case, I would argue that everyone constantly tearing everything down to repair everything that was torn down would be a much worse story than one where more stuff to repair and create stuff was being created. And no, it's not an ass pull. It's an unused consequence of an aspect of my control over time that I hadn't thought of until I saw the GM's comment.
I think you having unlimited power is a much worse story than having gods conflict over the scarce power that exists.
Well, 1. It's not unlimited power, it's less limited power; 2. Nothing whatsoever stops you guys from messing with time (except probably the guy
in the time prison); and 3. I still don't intend to abuse infinite power. Just, you know, use it to keep the time prison repaired, pay it to people, stuff like that. Like the government, but without the taxes...that's a crappy analogy.
...If I could interrupt you for a second? Do you think my proposal could be a sound solution? There will still be driving conflict, but we don't have to face the vicious cycle of always being at each-other's necks.
Which one was that again?
Once the Omnicidalists were ejected and had their own, separate universe composed of the time prison to play in or whatever, I was going to suggest we pool all the energy into one planet and take turns making stuff, like the gods did in
The Order of the Stick the second time.