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[Neonivek]

an Idol character class

When Breast Size is a stat with genuin attribute modifications. This became obvious.

It seems a lot like this pen and paper RPG is a comedy (a Parody). Though judging by what you are telling me it seems like you weren't aware of this potential.

[eharper256]

an Idol character class

When Breast Size is a stat with genuin attribute modifications. This became obvious.

It seems a lot like this pen and paper RPG is a comedy (a Parody). Though judging by what you are telling me it seems like you weren't aware of this potential.

Oh no, I'm quite aware of its comedy and parody potential. My current campaign I'm running for my players is an utterly insane school-setting that takes every school-cliche in the book and makes it ludicrous (they were airdropped to school; the girls dorms have a militant wing of girls armed with brooms, the all powerful student council is plotting for world domination, etc.).

But at the end of the day, its as silly as you want it to be. I've also run a very serious High-Space-Opera with it; and my friend has run a crapsack cyberpunk and detective film noir setting with it.

Sounds interesting I might pick this up.
Someone should do a game of this might be fun to watch.

Glad you're interested. Tell me what you think if you pick it up, the more opinions the merrier.

[eharper256]

Ah... to clarify, there's options for the GM to turn up or turn down various aspects of the combat and mechanics in the optional rules; they can make it into an over 9001 bloodfest or make it mostly realistic if they need to; they just pick the options they want and away they go.

[Neonivek]

Oh no, I'm quite aware of its comedy and parody potential

Ohh I don't mean Comedy potential. I mean it is outright a comedy. Mind you, >_< I wasn't clear with that.

It COULD be used for a serious game but that requires ignoring large swaths of the gameplay.

[Alkhemia]

Grab it now to wait tell they let me download it...

[eharper256]

Oh no, I'm quite aware of its comedy and parody potential

Ohh I don't mean Comedy potential. I mean it is outright a comedy. Mind you, >_< I wasn't clear with that.

It COULD be used for a serious game but that requires ignoring large swaths of the gameplay.

Not really large swaths. Fan Loyalty is still relevant; just imagine your fans are more intellectual; they're still going to be rooting for you after all. The Idol has an option to simply be a popular celebrity, or even a military warlord if you build them that way. After all, any class can take any power, just the costs differ. To establish serious, you just pick up all the realistic kinda options in the setups, lose out on Fanservice and Magnetism in general, strip away the magics you don't want and their related classes, and you're done. You're losing maybe 15-20% of the options on offer with that as long as you give it some leeway.

But I won't deny it makes a wonderful riotous comedic game and indeed, the system shines brightest with all the stops pulled out.

Grab it now to wait tell they let me download it...

You should be able to instantly D/L it from Lulu, assuming your payment is instant. Is that what you're asking? (naturally if you buy a book, it'll take a while longer, since each one is printed individually I'm afraid)

[Neonivek]

Not really large swaths. Fan Loyalty is still relevant; just imagine your fans are more intellectual; they're still going to be rooting for you after all. The Idol has an option to simply be a popular celebrity, or even a military warlord if you build them that way. After all, any class can take any power, just the costs differ.

You established a metaplot and the ability for steriotypes to bestow abilities onto you for no other reason then metatextual implications and not because they mean anything in universe. That is Parody material and without the ability to dirrectly manipulate this it cannot be a theme in a more serious scenario like it is in others where the characters learn they are either fake or real but with another universe dictating their outcome.

It kinda is half the game right there that you have to completely alter or remove.

[Alkhemia]

This is great I use this if I ever play a pen and paper game. To bad I can't rp to save my life

[eharper256]

You established a metaplot and the ability for stereotypes to bestow abilities onto you for no other reason then metatextual implications and not because they mean anything in universe. That is Parody material and without the ability to dirrectly manipulate this it cannot be a theme in a more serious scenario like it is in others where the characters learn they are either fake or real but with another universe dictating their outcome.

It kinda is half the game right there that you have to completely alter or remove.

Ah, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. I see. The characters are not aware of the meta-game. Do they have to know about or understand the audience's meddling? Hardly; in character, they just appear to be lucky, or they think they've learnt something, even if its their way of acting, or their appearance that's affected their skills. It's like action points in other games; the narrative is working to help you, but your character isn't aware of it. Heck, this isn't even restricted to anime, I've read alot of books and seen TV where it really feels like the author/writers are preserving the characters lives. Don't think I've ever seen or run a game of this system that directly breaks the fourth wall in the way you mention.

And, if you've watched alot of anime or read alot of manga, you'll know that if they have archetypes, they typically play them entirely straight: a character is not aware it's a tsundere or losing clothes to serve its fans, for example; the character just ends up accepting that as being its in-world logic.

Well, at least that's what I believe. I think we were having a problem in the Cthulu thread along the same lines, were we not? Sounds like you're very rigid in your categorisation of things and themes. Screw the essence, forget the meta-implications, why does everything have to be linked in the first place? You're thinking too hard about it! 'Tis just a game, and games and stories are what you want to make of them. Spend too long thinking outside the box, you end up suffocating the fun out of things. That is all.

This is great I use this if I ever play a pen and paper game. To bad I can't rp to save my life

Jolly good, glad you like it....

Now, it's 2am and I'm about to sleep on my keyboard, goodnight people.

[Xotes]

Well, this sounds kinda entertaining, I'm sure the art can't be that ba-

(Seen, for example, in THIS and THIS)

holy god what are those abominations

I'm not trying to be mean here, man, but if that's your best work then for your own sake try to find a professional artist. A game's art is one of the few things that can be judged right off the bat, and poor art leads the reader to think (fairly or not) that the rest of the book holds that same low standard of quality.

[Neonivek]

This is great I use this if I ever play a pen and paper game. To bad I can't rp to save my life

You need a great group to work with. I am only a good roleplayer typing.

Ah, I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. I see. The characters are not aware of the meta-game. Do they have to know about or understand the audience's meddling?

I am firmly aware the characters are unaware. Yet they need to have a level of awareness to make this not a parody (or rather a comedy) or else there are weird hanging issues.

For example what value are your fans, that you are not aware of, in an otherwise serious world? Such things are immaterial and yet when you make them a physical construct you are no longer playing a character you are playing a "Writer" because the rules dictate how you should be acting within that universe.

As well you created a system where someone having something cosmetic actually gains a benefit from being so not because of any context but because the universe itself deems that it should be so. "Why are you so strong?" "I don't know... I did notice anyone with blue hair is strong" "So if I dye my hair blue I will get stronger" "apperantly".

Actually that could be a way to do the game too where the characters are inherantly aware that their universe functions by terrible anime steriotypes (especially sexist ones). In however doing so they created a totalitarian society enforced simply by the laws of the universe. So individuality is thus wiped out because in order to be intelligent for example you have to wear glasses. This isn't even getting into the segregation created by how different women are treated then men in anime creating an even more strict rules on how they can act if they want to be respectible.

But THAT scenario which COULD be serious is what I call a "Deconstruction" and thus a major alteration.

 

if you've watched alot of anime or read alot of manga, you'll know that if they have archetypes, they typically play them entirely straight

Most of those tend to be really bad or wish fulfillment animes or fanservice animes. The ones that do it well are ones that either created that steriotype or ones that deconstructed it allowing what was otherwise just sillyness to become serious.

This is of course not even getting into how women are handled in anime.

I think we were having a problem in the Cthulu thread along the same lines, were we not?

No. In that thread I was explaining how the type of anime these people were likely wishing for was not compatible for a properly run Cthulhu story. People countered with animes that weren't within what I was explaining and so I said so.

You're thinking too hard about it!

I refuse to stop thinking and lower my standards of context.

Thinking is something I do all the time and I refuse from the bottom of my heart to ever let up.

I am aware you mean "Thinking less" but what are you really asking me to do? You are asking me to overlook the obvious metagame that you implimented in its gameplay.

[Alkhemia]

Well tbh my brain just does not work with D&D and the like I've tried to play them but my brain can't grasp it not sure why, I guess it because I did not grow up with it.
Also this is really well done you got pretty much every base covered. Also Futanari I just don't even. 

[eharper256]

Well, this sounds kinda entertaining, I'm sure the art can't be that ba-

I'm not trying to be mean here, man, but if that's your best work then for your own sake try to find a professional artist. A game's art is one of the few things that can be judged right off the bat, and poor art leads the reader to think (fairly or not) that the rest of the book holds that same low standard of quality.

I did say 'somewhat' better, not that I've suddenly become amazing. Truly, if you compare it to some of the crap I've got on the blog back from 2010 and older (heck even if you go a year back); these are a big step up; and apparently at least some people agree with me, since these sketches actually get alot more likes and cause blog follows, and more and more people clicking them, than my older ones, despite that I actually on average get less visitors to my blog these days than a year back (around 170 a day at the moment, but I used to get 300 or so).

Honestly, it really does sting when (presumably professional) people denounce it; I know very well I'm never going to be great at it, but such is not my intent: my core skill set has always been imagining and writing. I'm a big amateur artist; I spend maybe three hours a week tops on it; and its just a fun thing I do on the side. I'm entirely self-taught and use a crazy-ass style that basically amounts to me imagining what I want to see on paper and transferring that image across; taking advantage of my very visual memory. Until recently my proportions were far more all over the place and even my friends mostly used to stay silent when I showed them things (whereas now they say 'not bad' or 'you've got better' and other things of a semi-complementary nature, rather than being scared sh**less of me pulling out a sketchpad, lol).

Anyway, as already noted, a friend of mine who is better than me will likely be contributing to a joint release late next year, with any luck, though it remains to be seen how much time he has to contribute, and I can't exactly push him since I can't pay him!

No. In that thread I was explaining how the type of anime these people were likely wishing for was not compatible for a properly run Cthulhu story. People countered with animes that weren't within what I was explaining and so I said so.

Actually I wasn't referring to the anime part of the discussion, but your little thing about how things weren't Cthulu Mythos if they didn't follow certain rules. But alas, no matter.

But THAT scenario which COULD be serious is what I call a "Deconstruction" and thus a major alteration....<snip>...Most of those tend to be really bad or wish fulfillment animes or fanservice animes. The ones that do it well are ones that either created that steriotype or ones that deconstructed it allowing what was otherwise just sillyness to become serious.... <snip> This is of course not even getting into how women are handled in anime.

Anyway, goodness, if you're going to get into Deconstruction and Gender-Issues in anime I'm going to take a step back now; I want to enjoy my mindless trash again.

I refuse to stop thinking and lower my standards of context.

And I salute your dedication, but I don't envy you.

Nevertheless, thankyou for helping to keep my topic on the front page and give me excuses to explain more mechanics, sir. It's real nice of you to help the advertising process. ^_^

Well tbh my brain just does not work with D&D and the like I've tried to play them but my brain can't grasp it not sure why, I guess it because I did not grow up with it.
Also this is really well done you got pretty much every base covered. Also Futanari I just don't even. 

I didn't grow up with them either, my first proper RP was at university; I wouldn't worry about being good at it, just find a good group and you'll eventually figure out the whole separation of thought it needs. Anyway, thanks for your support, glad you like it; and there will be even more bases covered with the supplement.

[Neonivek]

It's real nice of you to help the advertising process

I find that my negativity happens to have the opposite effect on the popularity of a project.

It is odd when causality tells me that I should be as blunt, negative, and even irrational as I'd like because it only seems to help the situation.

[eharper256]

It is odd when causality tells me that I should be as blunt, negative, and even irrational as I'd like because it only seems to help the situation.

Quite so; isn't the world wonderful like that? It's why the Daily Mail and other tabloids sell so highly, despite them being blunt, negative, offensive and irrational.

I am serious in thanking you by the way; our little discussion appears to have promoted an additional 5 PDFs and 1 Hardcopy to be sold in the last 24 hours; which I am very lucky to get in a week most of the time (sometimes I don't get that in a month, in fact).

I'll also thank you people for listening, and buying, and hope you enjoy my book. <bows>