NQT:
ZU, Toaster and Captain Ford - on Why We Shouldn't Discuss the Actions of Confirmed Scum
Figuring out publicly who Nerjin targeted is actually bad for the town. Better to keep the scum guessing
That's not logic at all thats WIFOM. Also, other people never act perfectly logically.
Either way, I don't really see why anyone would try to kill Captain Ford, as he is super scummy.
Okay, but I don't see anyone else putting forward a credible alternative. Look, it seems to me that the easiest way to hunt scum is to rule out who probably isn't scum. By working out who Nerjin and Norris might have rebounded off, we can get somewhere towards not lynching innocent players.
Or at least, that's what I thought was a good tactic. A lot of you seem to think that that way of scum-hunting is itself scummy. I've read your arguments, and I can certainly see the dangers of giving the scum too much information, and I'm willing to pursue other methods of investigation.
You're running down a dangerous road here. We do know that Nerjin and UI thought they had identified a mason enough to warrant a kill attempt, and that it failed, offing themselves. What we don't know is who they targeted. I see what you're saying- that this eliminates the possibility that the target was scum, but it also means that the target isn't a mason, either- which is further information for the remaining scum. Also, trying to guess who the scum targeted and why is verging on WIFOM. I say leave the matter alone.
Further,
Edos raises a good point:
I see the DS and NQT situation in two ways. We know Nerjin, Norris, and DS were all voting NQT.
To me, it either means they're both cleared because scum just wouldn't feel right doing something like that, or they're both scum because they did it for the lulz.
I guess a third option might be that one is maf, but not the other, but I don't think so.
For me, the purpose of a NQT or DS lynch would be an information lynch: Is the other clear?
We're at such an advantage that we could almost PoE it out until we lynch both scum.
I tend to agree that
Nerjin's bandwagon vote on NQT makes NQT a somewhat unlikely scum choice.
I reread NQT's posts and, other than the point I originally had an issue with, didn't get much of a scum read from him. Put those together and you get
Unvote NQT.
However, I disagree with Edos's quoted suggestion that we should consider setting up any sort of chain lynch. We might have numbers on our side, but that's no reason to start lynching in lieu of hunting.
Captain Ford:
Toaster:
notquitethere is still doing it and is still scum:
ZU
My read is informed by Nerjin's demise: who is the person he would have tried to kill? Captain Ford is the most likely answer, as I explained in my post above. This isn't buddying, this is logic. If someone can give me a convincing counterfactual to my earlier argument then I'll revise my opinion.
You found NQT scummy for answering ZU's question?
No.
I found him scummy for trying to root out masons in public. I have expanded on (and excused) his actions above. The post you've quoted is just me reapplying the vote, with a note that he is continuing to determine the identity of town versus mason. I now see he was thinking in terms of town versus scum instead, so I have dropped the attack.
And I blame my poor activity on a somewhat apathetic attitude to this game, and giving everything else priority. I'm taking the time now to do it justice, though.
Obolisk:
So, as far as me saying that Darksword had just done what the last two mafia had done, I present this...
Unvote I just did a primary re-read and something has stuck out to me. I'll post later when I'm positive.
And this.
Bluh bluh post tomorrow.
At the time I posted that, the last thing that DS had posted was this:
Am sick, and feel like shit. I'll post tomorrow.
So, that's what I ment by that. Similarities in actions.
I have found in the past that is only a useful scumtell if it keeps happening. Any one-off occurrence is insufficient- it needs to be a pattern. (Also I'm less certain of it now than I was a year ago.)
In other news, your case on Deathsword is flimsy. Who else do you suspect and why? I'd love at least two names.
Deathsword:
First off, obolisk I asked for your reads on everyone one. You proceeded to ignore that. Here's when I asked it, so you can't claim to be ignorant of it:
Obolisk, you've been lurking for the entire game, so one small pfp post isn't going to be enough. Since you already said your read on me, give us your read on everyone else.
Stop being lazy and do it.
Do you really think asking for
all his reads rather than a few scum reads is really that good use of the time of everyone involved?
I'm not going to quote
your giant post where you vote Captain Ford, but if I read it right, your case is that he's "chainsawing*" for NQT? Do you have anything besides that?
*I say "chainsawing" because while you're accusing him of something similar, except in this case you're assuming NQT is town and Ford is scum.
Dariush:
Claiming mason is a null-tell, as you've previously said.
Wait, what?
This is a 180˚ spin from your previous opinion:
Sure. You miss just one crucial thing: there's no benefit to anyone by claiming mason, truthfully or otherwise. You haven't explained why you've done it, only why paying attention to it hurts town. Except that if you didn't claim it, there would be nothing to pay attention to. Therefore, you knowingly did something that has the possibility to hurt town without any benefit to it whatsoever. Die, scum.
Why the change? Or, perhaps more accurately, which one is your your real opinion?
Zombie U:
Man I don't even know anymore. Unvote.
Reread pending.
So what did you find out? Who are your top three scum picks and why?
TolyK has only voted one time, and it was obviously just a RVS vote. Until he decides to actually contribute to the game, my vote will remain on him.
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