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[DrPoo]

I kinda hope a shooting happens at a NRA convention so those fucks learn it the hard way.
Lobbyism should be punishable by death.

I don't think anyone would be stupid or insane enough to try to shoot up an NRA con. That's why you use high explosives.

Chemical weapons, of course. Just release some huge bomb full of radioactive gasses, have them all die from cancer within few days.
That, or napalm. They could all burn up in chemical fire.

Or! OR! Incendiary artillery shells!

Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire.

* DrPoo slaps herself for sounding so violent.

[misko27]

I kinda hope a shooting happens at a NRA convention so those fucks learn it the hard way.
Lobbyism should be punishable by death.

I don't think anyone would be stupid or insane enough to try to shoot up an NRA con. That's why you use high explosives.

I was thinking more a bunch of LCS-esque members wearing "NRA Rocks" or something, and then shooting. The confusion and blood, far too many would be shooting at each other in panic.
 
Now, to leave that line of thought. It seems that This is now the Second deadliest school-shooting in American History, with the added factor of little Children as opposed to high-schoolers.

[kilakan]

Everyday the cartoons with schools that have watch towers with turrets is starting to seem less and less like a joke.

As far as I know, in most states you can purchase body armor without so much as an ID.

Very odd.

It's a sad sad day for humanity when arming everyday people that work in public, or government places is a viable recourse.  Though... hiring/training one or two trusted individuals for each school or mall or whatever might not be a terrible idea...  Teach the principle to use some type of armor piercing rifle could end up saving a lot of peoples lives if the world we live in continuously gets more and more violent.  The police just can't respond in time anymore.

Yes, because the solution is clearly to give MORE people guns. Especially principals. What if the armor-piercing guy snaps?

I was speaking mockingly.  On the other hand what we really need to do is just plain out increase the amount of law enforcement.

This is also why I split out the topic, BTW. I *knew* this discussion would erupt.

Dang people and asking why something happened and how it could have been prevented getting in the way of empty sympathy and dirrectionless anger!

Aye I don't understand why in these situations everytime someone tries to suggest a possibility they get shouted down since they are thinking of prevention and not the past..

[kilakan]

I kinda hope a shooting happens at a NRA convention so those fucks learn it the hard way.
Lobbyism should be punishable by death.

I don't think anyone would be stupid or insane enough to try to shoot up an NRA con. That's why you use high explosives.

Chemical weapons, of course. Just release some huge bomb full of radioactive gasses, have them all die from cancer within few days.
That, or napalm. They could all burn up in chemical fire.

Or! OR! Incendiary artillery shells!

Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire.

* DrPoo slaps herself for sounding so violent.

Wow.... gun lovers are people to and that ain't funny...

[FearfulJesuit]

The Atlantic had an interesting piece on gun control recently.

The point it made was that, as much as we'd like to think more guns won't solve anything, we don't hear as much about the cases where shootings were prevented by someone with a gun in the vicinity, so we've got a problem of confirmation bias.

More to the point, the article made the point that may simply be too late to undo the current situation; there are just too many guns.

Obviously the most important part here is expanding the mental health safety net. But nobody in Washington is talking about that.

[Neonivek]

Well here is the thing... Was this person someone who the Health safety net would have caught if expanded?

Not every psychokiller is one who shows clear signs of instability that would have got them help.

[G-Flex]

Not every heart attack victim shows signs of having cardiovascular problems, therefore we shouldn't bother with people going to the doctor, right?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

We don't even know anything about the shooter's mental state yet, so we should probably shelve that topic until we do. While the shooter(s) are almost certainly mentally ill in some way, we lack the specifics.

[RedKing]

This is also why I split out the topic, BTW. I *knew* this discussion would erupt.

Dang people and asking why something happened and how it could have been prevented getting in the way of empty sympathy and dirrectionless anger!

I didn't say it shouldn't erupt, I'm just saying that I knew it would. Hence, best to move it out of the sad/rage threads. Don't put words in my mouth, especially when I'm already in a bad mood.



I'd like to bring something up. The United States has the highest per-capita rate of firearm-related deaths in the industrialized world (9 per 100,000).
By comparison, Japan has 0.07 per 100,000.
Great Britain has 0.22 per 100,000.
You know who else has a relatively low rate? Israel. (1.86)

You know why? Because they restrict private gun ownership like a motherfucker. You would think that being constantly under threat of suicide bombers, armed attacks, snipers, etc. that Israelis would be packing heat like a Tarantino flick. But no. Funny how conservatives invoke Israel as such a laudable example on so many things, but turn a convenient blind eye to Israeli gun laws. Even more so when they invoke the Holocaust as an example of what can happen if "the government done took my guns".

[Neonivek]

I didn't say it shouldn't erupt, I'm just saying that I knew it would. Hence, best to move it out of the sad/rage threads. Don't put words in my mouth, especially when I'm already in a bad mood

Truthfully I mistaken what you wrote and thought you split THIS thread into one about gun laws and one about giving sympathies.

Which I thought was spitefully pointless (but it turned out I misread it.)

[toomanysecrets]

A CBS affiliate in NY is saying that the guy's mother was a teacher at the school and some of the victims were her students.  Insane, way over-the-top parental issues??

[Flying Dice]

The Atlantic had an interesting piece on gun control recently.

The point it made was that, as much as we'd like to think more guns won't solve anything, we don't hear as much about the cases where shootings were prevented by someone with a gun in the vicinity, so we've got a problem of confirmation bias.

More to the point, the article made the point that may simply be too late to undo the current situation; there are just too many guns.

Obviously the most important part here is expanding the mental health safety net. But nobody in Washington is talking about that.

We also don't hear about all those cases where shootings were prevented because the would-be shooter couldn't get their hands on any goddamned guns either, do we? The NRA types can bleat all they want about peace through superior firepower, but that doesn't change the fact that we have by far the highest intentional homicide rate in the 'First World', among others.

The U.S. had 4.2 homicides per capita in the most recent comprehensive study (I believe in either 2011 or 2012).

By way of comparison, here are the per capita intentional homicide rates in a few other countries:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Somalia: 1.5
Egypt: 1.2
Libya: 2.9
Canada: 1.6
Argentina: 3.4
China: 1.0
Japan: 0.3
South Korea: 2.6
Singapore: 0.3
Afghanistan: 2.4
Iraq: 2.0
Israel: 2.1
UAE: 0.8
Denmark: 0.9
Iceland: 0.3
UK: 1.2
Spain: 0.8
Germany: 0.8
Australia: 1.0

Yep, I'm sure that having a homicide rate four times as high as countries ranging from Australia to Somalia has absolutely nothing to do with our fetishistic gun culture. 

[RedKing]

A CBS affiliate in NY is saying that the guy's mother was a teacher at the school and some of the victims were her students.  Insane, way over-the-top parental issues??

I had heard a report that the shooter had "a connection" to the school, though details were unspecified. That would make some sense. Wonder if his father was the one found dead in Hoboken and his mother was among the dead in CT. Especially given that other reports indicate the fire was concentrated mostly in one classroom. Guy goes to wax his mother, decides to take her entire class out as well?

Jesus F'ing Christ....

[Guardian G.I.]

Mother and
brother of suspected school shooter found dead

[olemars]

According to the news ticker I've seen, they've found the father and one brother dead, a younger brother is in custody, and the killer's girlfriend and a friend is missing. Mixed sources, so there could be some confusion going on.