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Combined Syndicates of America

8 (22.9%)

American Union States

6 (17.1%)

Pacific States of America

15 (42.9%)

United States of America

6 (17.1%)

Total Members Voted: 35

[EuchreJack]

I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.

As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.

[Tarran]

Lol @ 0 votes for the US.

I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.

As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.

Unfortunately for them, however, we have the Cascades in the way, and the Rockies if we can claim them in time. So they're gonna have to attack us in the mountains if they want to show their disappointment.

[Sheb]

Apart from that ti's pretty cool. Did the pics come from the game, or did you drudge the interweb for them?

Also, go for the CSA. A government owned by oil corporation is a government of the people!

[Owlbread]

I find it a bit horrible that if you join a group of people, they all have to agree to let you go before you can leave it.

[Bdthemag]

Apart from that ti's pretty cool. Did the pics come from the game, or did you drudge the interweb for them?

I look for the pictures, I tend not to get pictures that fit what the paragraph exactly but then again I don't imagine there's a whole lot of pictures of Syndicalist American Militia's.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.

As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.

Unfortunately for them, however, we have the Cascades in the way, and the Rockies if we can claim them in time. So they're gonna have to attack us in the mountains if they want to show their disappointment.

So we would have the strategical advantage.  All we need to do is claim them quickly and defend.

[Firelordsky]

I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.

As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.

Unfortunately for them, however, we have the Cascades in the way, and the Rockies if we can claim them in time. So they're gonna have to attack us in the mountains if they want to show their disappointment.

So we would have the strategical advantage.  All we need to do is claim them quickly and defend.

Might only be 46-47 states opposing Cascadia if Texas secedes during all of it.

[Tarran]

Less, actually, because New England was occupied by Canada.

Then there's the infighting...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I've seen the Republic of Texas modded into this scenario, it is a shame it isn't standard.

I find it a bit horrible that if you join a group of people, they all have to agree to let you go before you can leave it.

Being that you complain about the Union at every opportunity, maybe you should watch this.

[Owlbread]

I've seen the Republic of Texas modded into this scenario, it is a shame it isn't standard.

I find it a bit horrible that if you join a group of people, they all have to agree to let you go before you can leave it.

Being that you complain about the Union at every opportunity, maybe you should watch this.

It has merely reaffirmed my concerns. Although he does show that, as was the case with Scotland, even if there is no particular "get out of the Union" option that doesn't really matter as long as there is some kind of democratic mandate to hold a referendum. Negotiation can create that "get out of the Union" power. Long live the free nations of the world.

[Trollheiming]

Long live the free nations of the world.

To be honest, I'm not even sure what a nation is these days. I hardly view Americans as united around any grand ideas, and certainly not in common heritage. I suppose language is the only real glue. The exact thing that the European Union will never have...

[Owlbread]

Long live the free nations of the world.

To be honest, I'm not even sure what a nation is these days. I hardly view Americans as united around any grand ideas, and certainly not in common heritage. I suppose language is the only real glue. The exact thing that the European Union will never have...

The definition of the word nation is so elastic you can basically shape it to whatever you want it to be. It really does cause problems during certain debates, mind you.

[mainiac]

America is united around the inclusive notion of American citizenship, a set of shared rights and responsibilities*.  You can actually see this manifested in Kaissiech because all four factions share notions of american freedom even though they hate each others guts and have strong differences.  Even when we imagine Americans being torn apart we still imagine them as being fundamentally united by national heritage.

*This is not to say that other nations cant embrace some or even all of the exact same notions about citizenship, it's just to say that these ideals are very tightly wrapped up in what American-ness means.