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Which country will we play in the American Civil War?

Combined Syndicates of America
- 8 (22.9%)
American Union States
- 6 (17.1%)
Pacific States of America
- 15 (42.9%)
United States of America
- 6 (17.1%)

Total Members Voted: 35


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Author Topic: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)  (Read 40972 times)

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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2012, 12:45:26 pm »

A classic mistake in understanding the Darkest Hour political matrix is to assume that it is a line, with a right and a left.

In fact, it is more of a grid, with political right and left as one axis and government control as the other axis.

For example, anarchist is political left and low government control, if memory serves.

In case it wasn't obvious, America First United are the Nazis.  So I generally don't play as them.  If somebody could explain to me how they aren't the Nazis, I'd be glad to hear it.
Well, they aren't exactly Nazis. They're a reactionary group of culturally right-wing populists, which is not exactly akin to the Nazis and their radical ideal of a future world where everyone is a Nazi or dead. Same ballpark, but not the exact same.

Plus, Huey Long is leading them. I don't know quite enough about Kaiserreich Long, but the historical Long was one of the few people to ever pull off being an enlightened dictator in a democracy. I certainly see the potential for that to be twisted into a Hitler-esq situation, though.

Anyway, at the end of the day nobody ever plays as the American Union State, so that's why I think we should switch to them when the time comes. The only major American faction that gets less playtime is the PSA.

Perhaps calling them Nazis was a bit much, but it is easy to see them going that way.  Under player control, it's possible to move them into more of a democracy.

I'll quote the game, to show how they could go either way (spoilered for language):
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After reading the Wikipedia article and remembering the commentary on this mod, I'd say that Long in Kaiserreich is similar in personality but has different political leanings.

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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2012, 08:22:47 pm »

In the Pacific? I would guess either Cascadia or the Republic of California. Whatever we do, democracy is where the cool kids are.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2012, 10:25:38 pm »

Update.
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Well, everything is going to hell. Dissent is high, and the elections will cause even more dissent regardless of who wins. I'll let you guys decide who wins, then we can finally get to the fun part of playing the U.S.A.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2012, 10:33:34 pm »

Remember folks, not every candidate will put us in the same position once the wheel starts spinning. The reactions of the losers are just as important as the actions of the winner.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2012, 11:52:18 pm »

I plan on going more in depth explaining the various alliances in a later update when it becomes relevant to our situation.
It would be appropriate right about now, since we can't go picking a side which will be too easy for you in the future.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2012, 01:15:04 am »

Garner. Let's get democrazy on those commie bastards, I said!
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2012, 03:32:39 am »

Garner. Let's get democrazy on those commie bastards, I said!

I actually prefer Curtis, but I voted Garner to deny victory to Long and Reed.

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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2012, 01:39:14 pm »

Long 36!

... Come to think of it, this will be true regardless of who wins the election.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2012, 02:06:38 pm »

I really dislike the way the civil war in handled in this game.  If the US starts out unified then it shouldn't split into four different factions.  It would be far more logical for it to split into two factions.  But Kaisereich fetishizes having many different sides and not being deterministic to a fault.  I feel like it detracts from the flavor in many places but the ACW is the worst.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2012, 03:26:32 am »

Anyway, let's go democrats. As in democracy, not as in the party.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2012, 03:32:12 am »

But democracy is so...annoying.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2012, 03:40:35 am »

Anyway, let's go democrats. As in democracy, not as in the party.
Pretty sure Bd said that you can't keep democracy no matter what. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2012, 03:54:43 am »

You can keep democracy with all of the Civil War factions. It just depends on how the event chains play out and who you appoint to what. For example, the USA would already be a dicatorship if MacArthur had been more persuasive.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2012, 08:55:40 pm »

Sorry for the delay in the next update, I've been unable to have a lot of time to write. I'm going to basically be gone all day tomorrow and return home with exhausted, so chances are I'll finish the update on thursday. Then I'll go back to trying for one update a day.
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Re: The Disunited States of America (Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich)
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2012, 07:37:48 pm »

The Union State is the most interesting really. There's a pile of AARs where people go Syndicalist America and proceed to piledrive through everyone else because they've suddenly dramatically tipped the world's balance in the Internationale's favour, and a fair number of them for the regular ol' USA. The Union State is at least a bit different from the others, and fairly underused.

Otherwise, the Pacific States are basically never played as.
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