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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #345 on: December 15, 2013, 05:25:22 am »

And the elves were the worst. I caught myself sighting audibly when one of the Orc got killed by an arrow in laketown, because that'd mean 10 more minutes of Legolas killing orcs.

Also, some thing simply don't make sense. How did the orcs bring Wargs into laketown discreetly? How can the dwarf ride a stream of molten metal and not roast? Why does laketown got a huge ballista, but apparently a single arrow for it, that doesn't even belong to the city?

The worse part is all those derping are not part of the book, they're stuff Peter Jackson changed.
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« Reply #346 on: December 15, 2013, 06:01:06 am »

I thought Orc was a word he'd invented himself.
While I can't draw on the origins of the word (mythological origin I bet), its a fact that there is no defined description of what an Orc is. Tolkien 'defined' the Orc, as in details on what they are and everything else. :3
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« Reply #347 on: December 15, 2013, 08:14:03 am »

Maybe a little less than 2.5 movies would've covered it well imo, if we account for a spectacular Battle of Five Armies. The Desolation of Smaug had quite a bit of Smaug but was desolate of the desolation. And I can't say that I enjoyed the romantic subplot with smexy dwarf either.
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« Reply #348 on: December 15, 2013, 12:32:26 pm »

My dad saw it yesterday.  He began reading Tolkien when he was a kid (hence influencing me to do the same).

His only comment was, "I have no idea what book Peter Jackson even read."
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« Reply #349 on: December 15, 2013, 12:38:30 pm »

Hm, I actually liked it, once I got over the fact that it's "watered-down Hobbit plus extra material". The character they pulled out of thin air (that elf chick) didn't feel artificial, and the action scenes were self-conscious - as seen in the barrel scene, which basically was pure slapstick.
I'd like to see a faithful Hobbit movie too, though, at some point in the future.
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« Reply #350 on: December 15, 2013, 12:40:30 pm »

I went to see the Hobbit 2, and saw a 3 hour dwarf fortress trailer instead.

It was cool.
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« Reply #351 on: December 15, 2013, 12:55:30 pm »

I'm sure I'd enjoy the movie if I saw it and decided to accept it for what it is... but I've decided over the last couple years that I'm taking a personal stand against unfaithful adaptations.

Even if the movie is enjoyable, I'm sick of film producers treating pre-existing fan bases as easy cash-ins.  If you want to make your own story, then make your own story.  If you're really inspired by an older one as you're doing so, then give some credit to that inspiration and admit that it's "inspired by".  But if you have no intention of being at least 90% faithful to the name you're using, then my conclusion is that you're only using that name because you know it will draw in the pre-existing fan base for that name for easy money, so that you can get paid doing whatever the hell you want to do instead of fulfilling the expectations that you're marketing to people who probably have emotional investment in your promises.  I think it's abusive behavior, and I've fed way too much money already into reinforcing it.
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« Reply #352 on: December 15, 2013, 01:02:22 pm »

I'd like to see a faithful Hobbit movie too, though, at some point in the future.
Maybe one day, when someone comes to their senses and gives it back to Guillermo del Toro to make. On that day I will fly my golden jetpack to the 4-D Cineplex and rejoice.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #353 on: December 15, 2013, 01:20:53 pm »

As a movie, I like it so far.
As an adaption of the book(s)? Not so much.
However if I am going to nitpick at every movies based on books,
I'm not going to enjoy much.
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« Reply #354 on: December 15, 2013, 03:58:16 pm »

Adaptation or not, I really didn't like the barrel scene. Twas gratuitous and depended more on the fighting prowess of the Dwarves than Bilbo's smarts.
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« Reply #355 on: December 15, 2013, 04:46:21 pm »

That was hilarious! And completely contrary to what happened in the original... But the Ork bowling was awesome!
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« Reply #356 on: December 15, 2013, 09:14:57 pm »

I'd like to see more movies that are actually faithful, truly, to the book.
Given how that's the script and all..the only deviations are either on part of the Director (...for various theatrical purposes maybe? Or to shorten the plot...perhaps?) or...on part of the Director.  :-\

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As a movie, I like it so far.
As an adaption of the book(s)? Not so much.
However if I am going to nitpick at every movies based on books,
I'm not going to enjoy much.
I share the same opinion line, but...its just a pervading observation that most movies don't follow the books for some reason.
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« Reply #357 on: December 15, 2013, 09:25:58 pm »

As a movie, I like it so far.
As an adaption of the book(s)? Not so much.
However if I am going to nitpick at every movies based on books,
I'm not going to enjoy much.

I hold the same opinion.
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« Reply #358 on: December 16, 2013, 12:24:20 am »

As a movie, I like it so far.
As an adaption of the book(s)? Not so much.
However if I am going to nitpick at every movies based on books,
I'm not going to enjoy much.

I hold the same opinion.

I somewhat agree, but... I expanded on the rant I posted earlier today in this thread.  It describes pretty well how I also disagree, so I'll just paste it here.

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I know what most people will say, and I understand. I'm sure that if I went to see it and made a decision to accept it as what it is, that I could enjoy it. It's true. But I think there's more to it than that. I've decided over the last couple years that I'm taking a personal stand against unfaithful adaptations.

Here's the way I see it. If you want to write your own story, then fucking write your own story and market it as your own story. If your story is inspired by another one, then go ahead and write that fan-fiction. Put that derivative work out there and label it as what it is. People who enjoyed the same thing you did will go see it and be able to enjoy it for what it is, and there's nothing wrong with that. If you can't get paid for doing that because of copyright issues, then too fucking bad. There are thriving communities of people who make fan-fiction films and literature, because it's simply what they want to do, paid work or not. There are millions of people who enjoy those works, and that's a wonderful thing. Yeah, intellectual property sucks horrible ass and needs to die, but if you don't want to be an asshole, then you just have to deal with it for now.

If you use a name that you didn't build, and you don't intend to remain at least 90% faithful to that original material, then I can only conclude that you're shamelessly cashing in. You are deceiving a pre-existing fan base so that you can get paid to do whatever the hell you want, while neglecting the expectations that you intentionally built up in people who were emotionally invested in your promises. You're exactly the same as some no-name fan-fiction writer on Livejournal, the only difference being that you're self-important enough to believe that it's alright for you to lie to everyone so that you can get rich and famous for it.

That is rotten abusive behavior, and I've fed way too much money into reinforcing it. Not going to do it anymore.
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« Reply #359 on: December 16, 2013, 05:21:23 am »

I agree. I dislike it a great deal when someone takes a classic and changes it. I mean, it's not that it can't be a good movie with changes, it's just that it already could have been a good movie without them and if you do changes no one will be able to see the original story in a way a major production can present it. I haven't paid to see either of the Hobbit movies yet and will probably just wait until it's on television for free.

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