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Re: Which martial art is best?
« Reply #120 on: December 13, 2012, 08:20:09 pm »

Some people can't drink alcohol at all because if they do they do it excessively, they drink to excess, black out and do stupid things. It would a misapplication of advice for people who don't have that problem to refuse to drink because they'd be warned that some people do have that problem.

One would give difference advice to a 250 couch potato trying to lose weight than an experienced athlete intent on improving his performance. Saying that ankle weights are universally dangerous because some people might create problems for themselves is silly.

My advice would be to listen to your own body over what other people say. I know people who have difficulty running even without weights. I also know people who've done daily leaping kung exercises wearing 5 pound weights on each ankle and for months at a time with no trouble at all. It would be silly for those people to refuse to do useful training because totally other people have problems.

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« Reply #121 on: December 13, 2012, 09:49:54 pm »

I was warned that the strain it places on your elbows and knees does more harm than good.

I was under the impression that weirds were more for conditioning certain aspect (Stamina and willpower) then genuin muscle growth.
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« Reply #122 on: December 13, 2012, 11:23:26 pm »

In my experience, weights in martial arts training are most often used for training speed or explosive power. For example:

1) Punching bag speed work done with dumbells held in each hand. For example, 5 pound dumbbells, punch the bag as fast as you can for 60 seconds.
2) Ankle weights used for jumping drills. 5-10 pounds strapped to each ankle, then jump in and out of a pit.
3) Ankle weights used for kicking speed and leg flexibility training. 5 pounds on each ankle and do crescent kicks.

To give you an idea...imagine doing bench press where the goal is not to move more weight, and not to move weight a lot of a times...but to move the weight as fast as you can.

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« Reply #123 on: December 13, 2012, 11:25:44 pm »

I remember wearing ankle / wrist weights around the house once one summer (I was about 16 I think.) After a while, I just got used to them and when I took them off my hands felt oddly light and free. The cool thing was I didn't even notice I was doing any 'training' after the first few days.
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« Reply #124 on: December 13, 2012, 11:48:18 pm »

I once held my backpack (which I always overstuff with books... at least back then) in one hand when I had to play a game where you had to hold weighted paddles (it is like Tennis except the net is very low to the ground).

It helped somewhat but I didn't do it long enough.
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Re: Which martial art is best?
« Reply #125 on: December 14, 2012, 12:05:03 am »

Actually, i see this as a perfect thread for MaximumZero (alright, everyone else too) telling us about the fights he's been in, and of course his less-esteemed clone.
This is from the first page. I'm not sure how I missed this.

Anyway, I'm gonna go read up on you guys' opinions, and possibly throw my own in the ring.

So, my own credentials: 2nd degree black belt in Ninjutsu, red band (instructor) in Muay Thai, and yellow glove (instructor) in Savate. I've taught self defense/kickboxing classes in a couple of womens' shelters, and Combatives III and IV Readiness classes to Ranger and SEAL candidates (due to the Muay Thai). Note: I'm also 5'1" (155cm) tall, and upwards of 200lbs (90kg).

In a real fight, and I've been in a few (mostly due to being a little guy with a big mouth some years back), the most quickly useful techniques have come from Muay Thai. Someone shoves you to start the fight, you grab the back of their head, and ram their face into your knee. Fight over. Kickboxing is good for stand up fighting, but I've always mixed Ninjutsu and Kickboxing to be a sort of hybrid. It's all about opportunity. Most people are not equipped to handle a lunge kick to their leading leg, groin, or stomach. Most brawlers protect their face, but not their throat or sternum/solar plexus.

My Ninjutsu training was very diverse, as was stated earlier in the thread. I learned how to fight with swords, staves, spears, the manriki-kusari, sais, an axe, a shovel, and rope. I also learned to shoot longbows and blowguns, throw knives, spikes, axes, nets, bolas, and coins. When we did unarmed training, it was almost all stand-up and stand-up grappling (which translated very well into Muay Thai.) On top of that, I did calligraphy, climbed ropes and nets, rode horses, learned to read the stars a little bit, and learned how to properly serve sake and perform a tea ceremony. If anything else, it was more like Japanese life training than straight-up martial arts.

Muay Thai, which I went into next, was very different. The classes were all business, bruises, and blood. I got knocked out several times in sparring, and had my nose broken a couple of times. We always knew when we were getting a higher-up instructor in house, because we'd wear headgear those days to spar. You had to be strong and fast, but mostly opportunistic and vicious, or you weren't going to make it. We neglected everything outside of sparring, toughness training, and endurance training to the point that I was shocked to see Muay Thai fighters doing a spiritual kind-of-dance before fights in my first tournament. Due to my atheism, I was never allowed to join them (I was always just held off to the side of the ring while another fighter or a referee took my place), and I was never even shown how to perform the dance. Honestly, I kind of feel like I missed out on a whole facet of Muay Thai because of that.

Training in Savate was weird. This is the only time I've ever worn shoes onto a dojo floor, and it felt awkward at first. Classes were very fast and loose, but always challenging. In a way, Savate was less about proper technique and more about creating an opening in the opponent's defense and exploiting it. We learned things that were very awkward, and somewhat counterintuitive, like using a lunge kick with your heel, instead of the ball or whole bottom of the foot. Misdirection was a huge part of the game, as Savate was initially a form of street fighting. Feints, spinning kicks, sweeps, and leg kicks were very common. Landing spinning kicks was very uncommon, as they were mostly used to set up other techniques. Grappling was against the rules, which was very disappointing.

Anyway, the point of this is to go with what you're comfortable with, and what works. Rule one of combat, however, for any style is: If you can avoid a fight in any way, do so. If you can't, put the opponent down and get the hell out of Dodge.
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Re: Which martial art is best?
« Reply #126 on: December 14, 2012, 12:46:36 am »

In my experience, weights in martial arts training are most often used for training speed or explosive power. For example:

1) Punching bag speed work done with dumbells held in each hand. For example, 5 pound dumbbells, punch the bag as fast as you can for 60 seconds.
2) Ankle weights used for jumping drills. 5-10 pounds strapped to each ankle, then jump in and out of a pit.
3) Ankle weights used for kicking speed and leg flexibility training. 5 pounds on each ankle and do crescent kicks.

To give you an idea...imagine doing bench press where the goal is not to move more weight, and not to move weight a lot of a times...but to move the weight as fast as you can.
I do remember these. I actually kicked myself in the face when we took them off and started regular kicks again.
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« Reply #127 on: December 14, 2012, 01:01:37 am »

I actually kicked myself in the face when we took them off and started regular kicks again.

...yeah, just be sure to kick yourself in the face after removing the weight. :P

Related, I attended a wushu school at which the instructor ws known to throw pizza parties to celebrate the first time a student kicked himself in the face with a front stretch kick. From time to time there were bloody noses.

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« Reply #128 on: December 14, 2012, 01:18:08 am »

I've definitely hit myself in the face with one of those while doing stretches before XC practice. We were alternating legs and bringing our legs as high as we could, stepping forward, halfway down a football field. I hit myself in the face three times during that.  :P
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« Reply #129 on: December 14, 2012, 01:19:22 am »

One reason why those weights work is simply because you get used to kicking with that much muscle (it doesn't actually build anything).

As I said Conditioning.

Oddly enough when I do really epic high kicks I have an issue with actually picking myself off the ground. It is actually hard to keep balance when you do that so I've fallen once or twice (One time right onto my spine... Oddly enough that didn't hurt compared that I flipped over)

I can't do that on purpose though. Both those times I was kicking a ball that was high in the air.
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« Reply #130 on: December 14, 2012, 02:21:18 am »

grappling larger people for training is actually extremely helpful (it fits back with the previous discussion on how sparring partners *should* make resistance for you to understand how grappling works)

if you rely on superior strength instead of proper leverage, you're doing it wrong  :P

True, it helps in training...the other question is does it make fun? In my judo club the most common partner weighted more than 20kg as I. You cannot just wrestle with such a partner like you would do when the weight is equal. You have to be very careful for example that you do not hurt you back etc.
Sure, when you are experienced you know the tricks ;) but not as a beginner.

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Re: Which martial art is best?
« Reply #131 on: December 14, 2012, 02:35:17 am »

Jarate is best. Your argument is invalid.
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« Reply #132 on: December 14, 2012, 05:10:40 am »

Oh man I just remembered this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j1-xQA_ufE
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« Reply #133 on: December 14, 2012, 06:37:28 am »

You know, all the knife defence techniques I've seen assume the other guy is trying to stab you. It's not unrealistic, sure, because that's what most people will try to do since a good stab in the guts or between the ribs can end the fight instantly. But stabbing involves extending your arm where it can be captured. What if the knife wielder opts for the safer route and just slashes at your arms? He won't be extending his arm far enough or with enough inertia for you to capture it. He can parry your punches with the knife, and if you try to close in he can just put the knife in your path so you get stabbed. Having your arms all slashed up may not be instant defeat, but if you don't win quickly you'll start feeling the blood loss pretty soon. Arms have a fair deal of big blood vessels close to the surface. And there's also pretty good odds of getting a severed tendon, which can render your arm pretty much useless.
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Re: Which martial art is best?
« Reply #134 on: December 14, 2012, 06:38:34 am »

I read title as "What is the best marital fart" ohmygod

I prefer kickboxing.
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