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[Scelly9]

10/100

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1- Storm Front
Dresden is an awesome wizard.
2- The Hunger Games
In which the main character is horribly wounded.
3- Going Postal
Again, pratchett is a genius.
4- Making Money
Good old Moist.
5- Fool Moon
In which Dresden's taking a beating skills increase.
6- Catching Fire
Poor Katniss.
7- Shadow Puppets
Achilles, you bastard.
8- Guards! Guards!
Vimes is a wreck. Much different than the two previous Pratchett books I read.
9- Grave Peril
Dresden levels up, and a knight saves the day. Also, poor Dresden.
10- Shadow of the Giant
I like political fiction better than normal fiction, apparently.

[Flying Dice]

A Memory of Light
Robert Jordan
6/2/13

It's nice to finally have an ending, and damn me if it didn't manage to exceed my expectations.

[i2amroy]

Book 10 is finished. The Redemption of Althalus, by David and Leigh Eddings. A personal favorite of mine involving a thief, a bit of magic, goddesses, and a lot of trickery that I haven't read for quite a while comes in at 792 pages.

Spoiler: Books Finished (click to show/hide)

Valentine's Exile - E.E. Knight
Valentine's Resolve - E.E. Knight
Fall With Honor - E.E. Knight
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert A. Heinlein
When Darkness Falls - Mercedes Lackey and James Mallory
Lear's Daughters - Marjorie Kellogg with William Rossow
Rhapsody: Child of Blood - Elizabeth Haydon
An Artificial Night - Seanan McGuire
Late Eclipses - Seanan McGuire
The Redemption of Althalus - David and Leigh Eddings

Total Pages: 4906

[i2amroy]

And double post from me, but book 11 is finished as well now. I finally managed to get my hands on a copy of both Ghost Story and Cold Days by Jim Butcher yesterday and finished the first one earlier today. Ghost Story comes in at 598 pages, brining my total up to 5504 pages.

Spoiler: Books Finished (click to show/hide)

Valentine's Exile - E.E. Knight
Valentine's Resolve - E.E. Knight
Fall With Honor - E.E. Knight
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert A. Heinlein
When Darkness Falls - Mercedes Lackey and James Mallory
Lear's Daughters - Marjorie Kellogg with William Rossow
Rhapsody: Child of Blood - Elizabeth Haydon
An Artificial Night - Seanan McGuire
Late Eclipses - Seanan McGuire
The Redemption of Althalus - David and Leigh Eddings
Ghost Story - Jim Butcher

Total Pages: 5504

Being as a Triple-post would be pushing things a little far, I'm just going to append my next post onto the end of this one.

Book 12 is done. Cold Days, the sequel to my previous book and the latest in the Dresden Files series, comes in at 515 pages and one heck of a good story. I wasn't able to put it down from when I started several hours ago, and it's been an amazing ride.

Spoiler: Books Finished (click to show/hide)

Valentine's Exile - E.E. Knight
Valentine's Resolve - E.E. Knight
Fall With Honor - E.E. Knight
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert A. Heinlein
When Darkness Falls - Mercedes Lackey and James Mallory
Lear's Daughters - Marjorie Kellogg with William Rossow
Rhapsody: Child of Blood - Elizabeth Haydon
An Artificial Night - Seanan McGuire
Late Eclipses - Seanan McGuire
The Redemption of Althalus - David and Leigh Eddings
Ghost Story - Jim Butcher
Cold Days - Jim Butcher

Total Pages: 6019

[Realmfighter]

Spoiler: 6/52 completed (click to show/hide)

• Poké Wars: The Subsistence
  118,768 words
  Decent concept and interesting actions scenes, but the typos are fairly obvious even if you're not looking for them.
• Practical Ethics, By Peter Singer
  359 pages of content, 395 with notes and index
  Philosophy is fun, especially when you're a awkward introspective seventeen year old!
• Poké Wars: The Coalescence
  72,269 words
  It's definately readable, I'll give it that.
• The Last Dragon Slayer, By Jasper Fforde
  289 pages
  Jasper Fforde is one of my favorite authors, and this book is a good example why. Witty, fun and with amazing world building.
• The Emotion Machine, by  Marvin Lee Minsky
  346 pages, 387 with index
  While probably more relevant to my dream of working on AI, a lot less interesting than Practical Ethics. Good thing I just got Animal Liberation by Peter Singer from the library.
  
• Animal Liberation, By Peter Singer
  248 pages, 324 with everything else
  THERE ARE 157 PAGES BEFORE HE GET INTO WHY YOU SHOULD BECOME A VEGETARIAN. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE AN ASSHOLE. My diets still mostly controlled by my parental unit, but I've already talked to her about becoming a vegetarian. Everyone should read this book.

Animal Liberation is just...

157 pages. 157 pages of showing you how we treat animals is disgusting. After reading this book the only real reason I could have for supporting this abuse is sheer laziness. And I'm not that damn hypocritical.

[vagel7]

Spoiler: 7/52 (click to show/hide)

1.A Dance With Dragons - George R.R. Martin - 959 pages
2.Diamonds are Forever - Ian Fleming - 304 pages
3.A Rakvere novel(Rakvere romaan) - Jaan Kross - 372 pages
4.The Good Firm(Hea firma) - Armin Kõomägi - 150 pages
5.The Cossacks - Lev Tolstoi - 167 pages
6.Berts befrielse - Sören Olsson and Anders Jacobsson - 160 pages
7.Emigrants - Aleksei Tolstoi - 288 pages

A truly horribly written book that fails to be interesting and constantly throws into your face the opinion, that communists rule and the western world is a demon. It has different subplots that jump all over the place and the characters don't feel alive. It can get confusing during concentrated scenes and most of the actions done by the characters feel like they have absolutely no consequences, that they are there just to fluff up to book.

To summarize it, the book feels like empty communism propaganda.

[Strife26]

Errrr . . . I'm not actually sure that I remember what all I've read so far this year.

I think that I'm at elevenish or so. I shoulda been writing them down as I went, I spose.

[Trif]

Finished The Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three by Stephen King.
This series is shaping up to be pretty amazing. I'll have to check out the third book.

Spoiler: List of books (click to show/hide)

• If On A Winter's Night A Traveler (Italo Calvino)
• Cat's Cradle (Kurt Vonnegut)
• Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said (Philip K. Dick)
• The Drawing of the Three (Stephen King)

[i2amroy]

Animal Liberation is just...

157 pages. 157 pages of showing you how we treat animals is disgusting. After reading this book the only real reason I could have for supporting this abuse is sheer laziness. And I'm not that damn hypocritical.

Keep in mind that:
1)That book was written in 1975. A lot has changed in what farmers are allowed/not allowed to do since then, and the general public has been made much more aware about the bad things and therefore they have been lessened immensely.
2)Just because some places have factory farms and whatnot doesn't mean the majority, or even many of them do. For example a while back there was that whole "horrible things in milk from hormone treated cows" thing, yet if you notice basically all the milk you see in the store says "from non-BST treated cows". Sure you can tell horror stories about the 1%, but that doesn't mean the other 99% is bad.
3)This is just me, but humans are designed to be omnivores. Look at out teeth, our diet requirements, and several other factors and it is a fairly obvious fact. As such some creature is going to have to die, so in my mind the point then becomes ensuring that the creature that you are eating lived and died as painlessly as possible becomes paramount. After all right now the methods we use on a lot of our meat is still less painful then the animals being say, mauled and killed by a mountain lion. Perspective of the whole thing instead of just the what the one viewpoint tells you is important, regardless of if you are reading news, propaganda, or anything really.

Sorry for that tangent, but I know exactly how hard it can be to handle a vegetarian diet that is healthy and includes everything a body needs, especially when you are also cooking for other people who are non-vegetarian, so I just wanted to try to save your parents from some work.

[Flying Dice]

Pretty much that. Granted, some horrific things still go on (factory farming), but if I re-read The Jungle I wouldn't take it as an accurate description of current conditions for the animals or workers. As for the issue of humans being omnivores, I'm fine eating meat so long as a) it didn't come from an animal which could be reasonably construed to be of near-human intelligence and b) it wasn't subjected to unnecessary pain. Non-sentient animals are still moral patients, ya know? You don't have to be a self-aware intelligence to feel pain.

[Realmfighter]

Spoiler: Digressions Ho! (click to show/hide)

-stuffs-

After a short google I didn't really better than slight improvement on select farm animals conditions in a few states. There's a great difference between outright torture and morally justifiable farming, and I don't consider an act that increases space requirements two years now reaching that line.

Nature may have made us to be omnivores, but nature really isn't the best moral guide. We can go without meat so that point's kind of irrelevant.

Just because farm animals may live a better life under our control doesn't make any wrong we inflict on them better. If you adapted and fed a starving to death dog that wouldn't make kicking the shit out of it okay. You'd still be an asshole.

-FD stuffs-

I have no issue with eating meat. Hell, I'd have no problems with eating human flesh if the corpse was from someone who consented and there were no relative who would want the body whole for burial. It's the idea that I'm supporting an industry that treats living feeling beings like objects to abuse that I have a problem with. I'm not comfortable with the idea that someone is causing huge amounts of unnecessary suffering on my behalf. I highly doubt that any animal raising method I would consider justified would be profitable. It just seems a lot more practical to cut out meat entirely than trying to figure out the history of every steak that would hit my plate.

Anyway...

Spoiler: 7/52 completed (click to show/hide)

• Poké Wars: The Subsistence
  118,768 words
  Decent concept and interesting actions scenes, but the typos are fairly obvious even if you're not looking for them.
• Practical Ethics, By Peter Singer
  359 pages of content, 395 with notes and index
  Philosophy is fun, especially when you're a awkward introspective seventeen year old!
• Poké Wars: The Coalescence
  72,269 words
  It's definately readable, I'll give it that.
• The Last Dragon Slayer, By Jasper Fforde
  289 pages
  Jasper Fforde is one of my favorite authors, and this book is a good example why. Witty, fun and with amazing world building.
• The Emotion Machine, by  Marvin Lee Minsky
  346 pages, 387 with index
  While probably more relevant to my dream of working on AI, a lot less interesting than Practical Ethics. Good thing I just got Animal Liberation by Peter Singer from the library.
  
• Animal Liberation, By Peter Singer
  248 pages, 324 with everything else
  THERE ARE 157 PAGES BEFORE HE GET INTO WHY YOU SHOULD BECOME A VEGETARIAN. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE AN ASSHOLE. My diets still mostly controlled by my parental unit, but I've already talked to her about becoming a vegetarian. Everyone should read this book.
• The Saga of Tuck:Tuck Season
  ~250,000 words
  I read weird things on the internet. Sometimes I reread them.

[vagel7]

There is a higher chance that you have chemicals in your vegetables than you do in your meat. You also need a resource of fat and protein. Also it seems that you live in USA, that means that the land you are living on was taken by force from it's native inhabitants. If the moral rightness of your food disturbs you, then the blood washed land that you call your own should disturb you even more as you are living on land that you call your own only because colonizers had more military might. A lot of buffalo were also needlessly killed by Americans in order to starve out the Indians.

As you can see, you can't mix morality into everything.

EDIT: The clothes you are wearing are also most likely made by sweatshop workers making nearly no money at all.

[Realmfighter]

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There is a higher chance that you have chemicals in your vegetables than you do in your meat. You also need a resource of fat and protein.

There are living, healthy vegetarians, so I'm assuming that it's possible to make a balanced vegetarian diet.

Also it seems that you live in USA, that means that the land you are living on was taken by force from it's native inhabitants. If the moral rightness of your food disturbs you, then the blood washed land that you call your own should disturb you even more as you are living on land that you call your own only because colonizers had more military might. A lot of buffalo were also needlessly killed by Americans in order to starve out the Indians.

As you can see, you can't mix morality into everything.

There's a difference between what people hundreds of years ago did to another group of people a hundred years ago and what I do today. I can't change anything that they did, and I truly don't believe that just because some humans were massive dicks to each other torturing animals because I'm too lazy to change is justifiable.

EDIT: The clothes you are wearing are also most likely made by sweatshop workers making nearly no money at all.

I haven't bought cloths in a while, and I'll put more research into next time I do. That being said, not being perfect doesn't justify torturing animals.

New thread for this?

[vagel7]

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There is a higher chance that you have chemicals in your vegetables than you do in your meat. You also need a resource of fat and protein.

There are living, healthy vegetarians, so I'm assuming that it's possible to make a balanced vegetarian diet.

Also it seems that you live in USA, that means that the land you are living on was taken by force from it's native inhabitants. If the moral rightness of your food disturbs you, then the blood washed land that you call your own should disturb you even more as you are living on land that you call your own only because colonizers had more military might. A lot of buffalo were also needlessly killed by Americans in order to starve out the Indians.

As you can see, you can't mix morality into everything.

There's a difference between what people hundreds of years ago did to another group of people a hundred years ago and what I do today. I can't change anything that they did, and I truly don't believe that just because some humans were massive dicks to each other torturing animals because I'm too lazy to change is justifiable.

EDIT: The clothes you are wearing are also most likely made by sweatshop workers making nearly no money at all.

I haven't bought cloths in a while, and I'll put more research into next time I do. That being said, not being perfect doesn't justify torturing animals.

New thread for this?

I agree that this should go to a new thread if we are to continue on this.

Well, you could actually move out of the country as soon as you can. Also you are not the one torturing animals, the workers there are. Which means that if by your standards you are free from what your ancestors did to native Americans, you are also free of the torturing animals part.

[Realmfighter]

I agree that this should go to a new thread if we are to continue on this.

Debate club, ABSCOND