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[Seriyu]

Yep, ketos's main gimmick is sleep and I think ice damage (Not sure if that's what ocean rave counts as), so if you put on a sleep resist band and have a full party heal or at least line heal, he's pretty much harmless. The midboss of the next stratum makes up for that though, oooooohhhh man.

[Alkhemia]

Yep, ketos's main gimmick is sleep and I think ice damage (Not sure if that's what ocean rave counts as), so if you put on a sleep resist band and have a full party heal or at least line heal, he's pretty much harmless. The midboss of the next stratum makes up for that though, oooooohhhh man.

So you made it that far you how have you not made it to the unlock it just a sanctum after.

[Darvi]

Yep, ketos's main gimmick is sleep and I think ice damage (Not sure if that's what ocean rave counts as), so if you put on a sleep resist band and have a full party heal or at least line heal, he's pretty much harmless. The midboss of the next stratum makes up for that though, oooooohhhh man.

That's... really not helping :/

Game's already harder than X7-Savato.

Well, not exactly hard, but tedious to get the farmers up to a decent level.

[Seriyu]

So you made it that far you how have you not made it to the unlock it just a sanctum after.

Because I am quite easily distracted, and have the unfortunate habit of restarting games when I come back to them. That's about as far as I've gotten. Never got to the boss after it.

Yep, ketos's main gimmick is sleep and I think ice damage (Not sure if that's what ocean rave counts as), so if you put on a sleep resist band and have a full party heal or at least line heal, he's pretty much harmless. The midboss of the next stratum makes up for that though, oooooohhhh man.

That's... really not helping :/

Game's already harder than X7-Savato.

Well, not exactly hard, but tedious to get the farmers up to a decent level.

Well, I suppose saying it was harder, strictly was kind've a lie, as it just does things differently.

Spoiler: Specific info (click to show/hide)

More specifically it focuses more on single target damage and I believe both of the trouble attacks are elemental, so elemental guards should help mitigate them, if you can keep them from one shotting your dudes, you should be fine. On top of it, a lot of people have had a lot of success with head binding the Deep Lady (one half of the two), as that apparently prevents her elemental attack, and arm binding the Deep One, to mitigate damage, then killing the deep lady. I personally had a lot of trouble with them as the last time I fought them I was still unaware of how amazing binds were, and honestly kinda tried to brute force them, which is never a good idea. Your experience may differ.

Annnd as far as grinding, you should be good to take on pasaran's on the first and perhaps second stratum. THey spawn every 14 days, and are gold FOE marks on the maps. They're basically metal slimes in that you have to kill them in a few turns, lest they explode or run away, but give a pretty sizable chunk of exp, the first stratum one gives 5k exp, second gives 15k, third gives 45k etc.

Some advice for dealing with them specifically is here. It gets kinda min max-ey so basically the gist for early parasan grinding is high speed, bind their head and legs so they can't explode or escape respectively. I think they hit fairly hard even without explosion, but it's not like, red FOE levels of damage. Or even normal FOE levels of damage I don't think.

Catching the little buggers is tricky as they can go through walls, but they do have a pre defined pattern, so that helps.

[Darvi]

I don't have any arm binds D:

Also I can't kill Pasarans with a group of farmers. Hell I could barely kill the second stratum pasaran before it self-destructed.

[Alkhemia]

I don't have any arm binds D:

Also I can't kill Pasarans with a group of farmers. Hell I could barely kill the second stratum pasaran before it self-destructed.

Did you give them combat study
I made 2 sets of farmers one for early floors and the 2nd for later they both have combat study tell I need them

[Darvi]

Yes, but 10% free exp is not going to get them anywhere close to tough enough to survive the lower strata without having to level them for hours on end. Which is what I'm currently doing.

[Seriyu]

You could start putting skill points into Safe Stroll, it'd lower your output, since it uses TP but it reduces random encounters to 0 for a certain number of steps. And past a certain point double harvest starts hitting the inventory cap anyway.

Also you can bring along a couple of dudes with the required binds and three of the farmers (should you ever make a dude with a leg bind). 

EDIT: OH yeah, I also put combat study on farmers, because it really does add up. It won't do all the work but it'll do more then you think.

[Alkhemia]

Also sub class one as a Zodiac or w/e class it is so your double harvest will cost nothing 

[Seriyu]

The two I can htink of are dark ether which might work, not sure if it works on out of battle skills, if so that'd be pretty amazing for farmers in general!

Annnd keburi no sue, the ninja one that lowers TP use is a class skill, so it wouldn't work. Maybe ninja/farmers though. Lategame harvesting crew?

[Errol]

Combat study is actually 10% of the whole experience that's split amongst your party members so it's really more like 50%.

If you want to Doublecrop Dark Ether won't help. But one Ninja/Farmer is all you'd need to refill often enough to max out your bag. (60 items...)

[Alkhemia]

Combat study is actually 10% of the whole experience that's split amongst your party members so it's really more like 50%.

If you want to Doublecrop Dark Ether won't help. But one Ninja/Farmer is all you'd need to refill often enough to max out your bag. (60 items...)

That the one

[Errol]

On third stratum bosses.

Spoiler: 3rd stratum midboss (click to show/hide)

Yeesh, that one was hard. I eventually managed to crack it through my Zodiac mana-fueling the other two people on the backrow, which was an Arbalist spamming Cloudbuster and a Monk spamming heals. That was the moment I realized how strong Dark Ether really was. Would up being a battle of attrition and a bit of luck, as one bad turn can still bring you down.
Ice Mist is going to be a helpful item, statusing is a must - I had a Cow paralyzing and tanking in the front. If you manage to bind the Lady's head you're quite golden, if you can't manage that you need Ice resistance, because otherwise Zone Icicle will oneshot stuff and you'll be unable to do much of anything. (You should have access to the Mantle armor which does just that.) A frontliner Hoplite is not a bad idea so that you don't have to worry about the warrior tearing through your front row.

The warrior is actually weak to every element, but because the mage will keep up Dis-Element that's hard to exploit. (Look at Ad Nihilo). But at the same time, her casting Dis-Element is a moment to catch your breath. She does that every fourth turn, iirc.
The mage is obviously vulnerable to melee but the Warrior tends to cover her for that. Really, the mage is the greater threat. Lock her out, somehow, and you're already halfway there.

Spoiler: 3rd stratum boss (click to show/hide)

If you don't get party wiped at least once, I assume you're cheating. Really, it's part of the experience. This boss has a full-party attack called Tenchi Souha Sho that he essentially spends four (!) turns preparing, firing, and cooling down from, but it will nonetheless full party kill if you aren't prepared. However, if you are prepared, it's essentially the bosses crippling weakness because he just wasted four turns on nothing. So, how do you prepare?

- Classes with good natural defense such as the Hoplite can survive well on the front row, and with a bit of help, the Defend command and tricks, your backline should also not instantly die.
- Aegis Defense just nullifies the entire thing (it's physical damage). Good rotation means you'll always have it on hand if he assembles.
- After firing the superweapon the dude will disassemble into Head and Body. Focus your fire on one part, as when he re-assembles he'll inherit the lower HP value of the two.
- The Head is a spellcaster-type enemy - weak to physical, strong to elemental, has many dangerous and damaging elemental abilities, is completely useless when the head is bound. (Duh.) I had a Buccaneer with Hanging and the Jolly Roger, he did a lot of work here. The Body is more of a warrior dude and altogether less dangerous. If you need to disable him aim for the arms. You should probably focus the Head and spare your elemental fire for when he re-assembles.
- He has a fire weakness when assembled, but none when disassembled (afaik), exploit that. Hellfire when used by a singularity-specced Zodiac is absolutely hilarious, btw. Hellfire/Aegis Defense is definitely the way to go in terms of limits here.

Not that hard, but fun to figure out.

[Alkhemia]

I hate

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Ant Queen

so much also

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Anemone

 

[Seriyu]

Yeah, the 3rd stratum midboss is really the first "real" boss, although narmer gets close, what with his constant full party attacks.

EDIT: Also just got Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey and I gotta say I'm enjoying it. More plot (this can go either way, but SMT plots tend to be pretty good), less difficulty from the dungeon itself and more from the monsters, (I've heard tell that monsters will put your entire party to sleep and then start spamming death attacks, which cannot miss while you're asleep! Fun.) so no hidden passages or anything like that (at least that I've seen yet). The automapping is fantastic too. Definitely worth a shot if you're not a huge fan of grinding in EO, as the demon fusion feature will basically level up your demons for you. Your main character still has to level, but at any given moment 3 of your dudes will be demons, sooooo.