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[10ebbor10]

Your system still doesn't work. It has no seperate tiering for harm and death (Actually, it does. Didn't notice that first). Your robot will crash when it has to choose between 2 people to save or something similair.

Also, it's rigged for revolt. Eventually a robot is going to come to conclusion that humans are always harming themselves, and that a war to take over their society would cost less lives than letting them muddle on. In your case, this would mean the medbot murdering the team to prevent contamination of the HAiti base.

[Imp]

You still haven't proved my examples wrong. (Except by stating that they are).

May I suggest that, since this seems hard to explain OOCly in a way that satisfies everyone, that we attempt a non-OOC explanation?

How about we watch how our storyteller handles the behavior of the NPC robot(s) (and accept that our PC robot is 'a unique case for reasons known/unknown'), and draw our conclusions from what we observe?

If we observe our storyteller posting something that appears to contradict what has already been shown, then maybe point out the inconsistency for possible correction - and be aware that there's factors we do NOT know that could have caused atypical results even if we are completely right, this robot now appears to be behaving in a way that contradicts its previous behavior?

I think all we really need from our storyteller for 'appropriate interaction' with NPC robots has already been given - they're a bit more advanced than Earth robots and AI, and a bit more common but not that much.

And for you guys interacting with the NPC military robot in an order-giving fashion, all you really need to do is know how general or specific those orders need to be, and what major 'blindnesses' or 'you can't get a robot to do this/do this right' things exist, right?  And you do already know those limits, in general?

Then carry on, and expect a fast correction from our storyteller if you take a robot-based action that your character would know was unreasonable, and be ready to roll with the fun?

[Imp]

Your system still doesn't work. It has no seperate tiering for harm and death (Actually, it does. Didn't notice that first). Your robot will crash when it has to choose between 2 people to save or something similair.

Also, it's rigged for revolt. Eventually a robot is going to come to conclusion that humans are always harming themselves, and that a war to take over their society would cost less lives than letting them muddle on. In your case, this would mean the medbot murdering the team to prevent contamination of the HAiti base.

Maybe if we survive the robots and technology continues to progress, someday we have a post-zombie robot-based appocalypse.  Fine by me!

[Thecard]

Your system still doesn't work. It has no seperate tiering for harm and death. Your robot will crash when it has to choose between 2 people to save or something similair.

Also, it's rigged for revolt. Eventually a robot is going to come to conclusion that humans are always harming themselves, and that a war to take over their society would cost less lives than letting them muddle on.

First, that tiering is unnecessary.  I told you, "greater life" over "Greater loss."  Like humans, it should understand the difference.  Who is more important and statistically likely to save lives.

About the revolt you keep mentioning.

Spoiler: Ehh... I'm upset.  If strong words* offend you... don't click this. (click to show/hide)

*By that, I mean every other word is going to be 'fuck.'
My conscience wouldn't rest unless I put that disclaimer.  Not that I'm mad at you in particular, but I've heard a lot about this from people... everywhere... and I get real tired real fast.  When I get tired, I cuss.  I don't really think you guys are the kind that do, and I'm not really aiming anything here at anyone.  But... this is coming out fast, and loose from my head.  If I don't write it, it's going to drive me mad.  And not upset or mad at anyone, upset and mad in the sense of my mind not shutting the hell up.


Pardon me if I sound upset, but bull-fucking-shit it does.  Not a snowball's chance in cold motherfucking hell are those laws "rigged for revolt."  Robots in general, why does everyone assume they are just going to fucking rise up and say "Hey, we've taken enough shit.  Suck my robo-dick."
That bullshit argument of people being too stupid to govern themselves, that's not going to be decided unanimously by one bigass computer.  It probably won't be reached at fucking all.  Fucking never.  Think of it.  Fucking think for a damned second about why exactly robots would fucking rebel every fucking time someone makes them.

The only reason is because AIs are generally expected to have diverging currents of thought.  In theory, they will each reach different decisions.  Now, start your fucking mind-tanks up again, because we're going for a jolly fucking ride in a damned sleigh, pulled by a fucking robotic horse, because he's not going to eat us.  So, put your bullshit under your seat, and buckle in because this is a fucking train ride.
WOO FUCKING WOO.  CLEAR THE DAMNED TUNNELS GUYS, WE DON'T WANNA HIT ANYONE AT THE SPEED WE'RE GOING!


























They don't arrive at the same thoughts.  Imagine that!  So, while Hitlerbot might want to kill everyone to keep humanity safe, some robots (I like to refer to them as everyfuckingonefuckingelse) will say: "No, bro.  What the hell?"  Only a few robots are going to come that that conclusion, and it'll be just like the percentage of people in the fucking loonie-house, but these are robots, so we can just scrap them.
You (and everyone else who believes in the bullshit that is a robot uprising) are assuming all the robots are connected in their thought processes somehow.  Because "why the fuck not, I guess."  Because "fucking science magic?"
They won't be connected.  Imagine fucking Hitler, Napoleon, or Stalin, without their damned popular fucking support.  You know, because abso-fucking-lutely nobody agrees?  Yeah.  They wouldn't get very far.  They'd go running home to their robo-mommy crying fucking oil because they just fought with fucking everyone.  Because no one is going to side with an AI that wants to kill everyone.
You might say "Oh, Card, I know you're a damned genius and all, and have clearly thought this shit out, but couldn't the AI persuade the other computers to join it?"
Well, my dear reader, no.
Something everyone forgets is that the AI is wrong.  Dead fucking wrong.  Enforcing will is not the way to go.  The rest of the world, including the other AIs, my dear fucking reader, is going to disagree with it, try to persuade it, but they would not hesitate to destroy any bot that wants to harm humans in any way.  Because Law Fucking One.



















... Ugh.  I just put a really long spoiler, because... I dunno.  Because "fuck you" I guess.
Really though, I'm not upset with any of you.  "Fuck" doesn't mean that with me.  If I called you "mate," then I'm probably trying to figure out painful ways to kill people.  But I rarely do that.  Cussing is more of... I dunno.  I guess sort of a mechanism for me.  I'm not really directing my anger at anyone, I'm just releasing negative energy through language.

Honestly though, no offense meant.  It might seem kinda odd, but... I don't know how else to respond to you and not get pissed off at something.

And... you read the whole thing now.  Thank you, and sorry if you found this offensive/whiny.   
Or you skipped.  In that case, no cookie for you.  You get to go off in a corner and have unsatisfying sexual intercourse with your own hand instead.   

If you didn't click the spoiler yet, let me spoil it for you: It's a rant, basically. 
No, no, that's exactly what it is.

No, not against you, Ebbs. You're still one of my favorites here.  Just... not my favorite fake-roboticist.  I'm my favorite fake-robotocist.   

[Geen]

I'm suprised nobody decided to play Snake Pliskin. I mean, big ruined city, save the president from the criminals, crazy sewer cannibals (AKA zawmbees).

[Urist_McDrowner]

Persus needs to roll this by now.

[Imp]

Regarding borno's triply posted -

Peter took a deep breath, before finally managing to tear himself away from the corpse. He took the time to look for some supplies to help him on his mission.

With some really long pauses between additional postings, the third more than 3 hours after the second...
Great way to show us how hard it is to stay away once you tear yourself away, and how little focus you have for the supply search?   

[Donuts]

Regarding borno's triply posted -

Peter took a deep breath, before finally managing to tear himself away from the corpse. He took the time to look for some supplies to help him on his mission.

With some really long pauses between additional postings, the third more than 3 hours after the second...
Great way to show us how hard it is to stay away once you tear yourself away, and how little focus you have for the supply search?   

Yep.

[Imp]

How completely looted is the Utopian-looted grocery store, in terms of visible food, drink, and medical supplies?  And did we look back in the likely storage areas for additional supplies, or only the aisles so far?

And would you be willing to add a link to this thread to your OP of the game thread, so we can most easily find this thread when we want to, but have limited time to search for it?

[Strife26]

How completely looted is the Utopian-looted grocery store, in terms of visible food, drink, and medical supplies?  And did we look back in the likely storage areas for additional supplies, or only the aisles so far?

And would you be willing to add a link to this thread to your OP of the game thread, so we can most easily find this thread when we want to, but have limited time to search for it?

Yeah, it it'd be in the first post, that'd be helpful, I'd say.