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Total Members Voted: 7

[GreatWyrmGold]

Well, the Elephant's strengths (toughness and high damage) are darn useful on everything else, too...

[scapheap]

They are tanks, lots of hp, ok attack, need support. wipe out my army and now they don't look so tough. Plus the four goblins on the field.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Their attack is effectively 5, due to their trample ability. That's pretty darn "ok."
I'm not sure if they're OP, per se, but they are definitely going to be part of the metagame. Elephants are strong enough to defeat most units, but against goblins or the more powerful ranged units they're fairly weak; those units are, in turn, vulnerable to the other kinds of units which the elephants are so great against.

[Nerjin]

 

Spoiler: Scapheap’s Actions (click to show/hide)

Elephant 1 moves to L6
Paladin moves to I8
Elephant 2 moves to J8
Necromancer moves to N4
 

Spoiler: RAM’s Actions (click to show/hide)

Dragon breaths searing flames at M6 causing painful burns to Elephant 1 [21/25]
Inquisitor 2 shifts his heavy iron plate armor into a lighter variant that is much more comfortable.

Spoiler: Kill Count (click to show/hide)

Ram = 1 kill

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Spoiler: Nerjin’s Thoughts and Updates for 3.5 (click to show/hide)

I am listening to your suggestion about the Dragon and Elephant. Dragon has been nerfed already as I can see the over-poweredness already. However the Elephants have done nothing but move and get burned so I’m gonna have to refrain from weighing in on this yet.

Version 3.5 is being worked on as we speak. Mostly it’s just a bunch of slight adjustments that don’t warrant a full re-release. Bezerkers are now Barbarians and Dragons have lower health. Grammar mistakes are fixed stuff like that. I was planning on adding a Lich unit however it was basically just a mage with a “Fear” move rather than a Flare one. SO it wasn’t working with the game very well. References are still there within the bestiary however.

Also of Import: Should I continue to do the turn updates like this? With regards to attacks and actions anyway? Because I feel they add more flavor. Personally I like “Barbarian slashes at Goblin [2/5]” more than I like “Barbarian attacks Goblin [2/5]”

[GreatWyrmGold]

I like the flavor.

[RAM]

Are the changes to dragons going to take place now? Or not until later...

P.S.
 Elephants are *extremely* weak against goblins. Speaking of which, have you considered what would happen if you were up against 12 hasted goblins? Under optimal conditions one elephant worth of goblins could paralyse about 5 enemy units and deal 8 points of damage with 20 HP between them. The only real counter to goblins is obstructing terrain and tight formations, both of which leave you vulnerable to ranged attacks... But back onto elephants, a pair of dwarves or berzerker could perform similarly with nice boons instead of a nasty bane. The elephant is just really really focused at what it does, which is running amok in the middle of an enemy army, unless there are goblins about, then it is just useless...

P.P.S.
 Stupid teleporting necromancer...
 Actually, necromancers seem kind of weak, maybe they should get "half all received damage" or "Do not die above negative three life, but cannot spend life below zero" effect. At present a full-strength one is a one-shot kill to an archer, and all they are good for is a pair of skeletons and a unit with no attack. Spending 2 unit slots on 2 damage and 3 HP seems foolish... A necromancer might be pretty useful if there were a way to heal it, but as far as I can tell, only clerics heal, but that a holy heal would kill a dark necromancer instantly... Maybe if necromancers had a ranged attack that would reduce a living unit's life by one and increase the necromancer's life by one...

[scapheap]

True the necromancer feel a bit weak for a large unit.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Probably, yeah. Maybe give them zombies?

About the goblins: Goblins are weak. They can't get more than a certain number of people attacking one guy at once. Given a cleric or two and a few melee units, and the clerics will heal everything the goblins can do. Terrain would help here.

[RAM]

Goblins basically paralyse any unit they surround, two goblins could take out a dragon...

[scapheap]

If they not blasted 4 block away first.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Or if the dragon was distracted and whittled down to two or three health.

[Tsuchigumo550]

I have forgotten what wanderers do.
W2 to E10
T to E11
M to E12 Also forgot mages.
&1 attacks B2
&2 to G9
L2 and W1 up one space

[RAM]

Or if the dragon was distracted and whittled down to two or three health.

The dragon has the same cost as 8 goblins, so even if two goblins taking down a dragon is unlikely, that it is possible is scary. It takes two fireballs to kill a goblin, the proposed changes to dragons would make them wait rounds for a second, giving the goblins time to surround it. The goblins could use terrain to set an ambush, certainly the dragon wouldn't have to walk into the ambush, but if two goblins are holding a dragon at bay, then that is scary. If ever you get goblins on both sides of a unit that is not immune to fatigue, that unit is out of the battle until the goblins can be removed. If everything on the field is dead except for a 40 HP dragon with hostile 1 HP goblins on either side of it, then the goblins win. I could be missing something here, but I am pretty certain that an army of two clerics and 12 goblins would be massively overpowered.
 On the matter of necromancers, the necromancer itself would die to a skeleton, and cannot be healed, so you are going to replace it with 4 skeletons. The advantage of skeletons is that it can stop a single attack to an ally, and that they can be summoned at range, possibly into the middle of an enemy group. I see nothing to stop you killing your necromancer for 4 skeletons. So, in short, a necromancer is not a necromancer at all, it is just 4 skeletons, and 4 skeletons are a lot weaker than most anything, especially 4 goblins...
 One last thing about goblins. At present, indefatigable refers to "spell"s, and being surrounded by goblins doesn't sound much like a spell...

[GreatWyrmGold]

I had actually forgotten about Goblin Tactics.

...Why aren't there more position-based bonuses? Flanking gives you +1 Attack, attacking with a solid obstacle on your opponent's other side has a 50% chance to undo 1 damage, etc. Both of those examples would be changed for goblins--they get +2 or +3 from flanking, and can ignore the penalty for attacking with your enemy's back to the wall--they were born and raised in tunnels!

[Nerjin]

 

Spoiler: Tsuchigumo’s Actions (click to show/hide)

Warrior 2 moves to E10
Troll lumbers to E11
Mage wades to E12
Wanderer 1 slices at Bezerker 2 who blocks it masterfully. [5/6]
Wanderer 2 runs ashore at G9
Goblin 2 scurries to F11
Warrior 1 sprints to F12

 

Spoiler: Kill Count (click to show/hide)

Ram = 1 kill

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Spoiler: Nerjin’s Thoughts (click to show/hide)

In regards to when updates take place: They take place during the next game. So for the remained of this game all the bugs and kinks remain. If you still wish to do so you may play the next game update which should have most of the problems worked on [If not fixed.]

Proposed Position bonuses:

Flanking: Any unit surrounded by units on the opposite sides “D14 is surrounded by C14 and E14” than the surrounded unit is Flanked. Flanked units take +1 attack from all units who are flanking them.
Cornered: Similar to flanking except the second unit is actually a square of Impossible Terrain. Units who are cornered cannot move and also take +1 extra damage from flanking units.
Surrounded: If a unit is flanked by two pairs of units they take +4 damage from all attacks and cannot move.

Complaints to work on:
Elephants need adjusting. Whether they are over-powered or under-powered is not agreed upon yet but I can see a bit of a problem since people are not liking the unit as is.
Goblin Tactics is WAY to strong for some. I will look into making Goblins a bit fairer in 3.5. By the way Flanking, Cornered, and Surrounded stats will likely have a big boost for goblins. Right now what I am considering is making Goblins gain double the bonus from Flank/Corner/Surrounding a unit. Also removing the whole “Parlyze” thing that they do.
Necromancers feel weak. I shall work on this as well. I am thinking that removing the loss of health for summoning as well as the entire “Large Unit” bit.