Questions to answer:
First of all
Unvote I think I have what I want now. Was not aware of this hate-parade for kook dispute though. I apologize for bringing that up.
This argument is easy to completely destroy.
Are you a doppelganger?
Well when you put it that way I can see how my argument starts to fall apart. For sake of completeness I’d like to point out that I’m not Dopp.
It seems safer to me to just off you today then just in case. Here's what you're probably trying.
1. You roll dopp. All is not lost.
2. You decide to play the odds that no one actually rolled Kook.
3. You claim and then paint this picture of trying to save our cop a night action.
Equally likely? You're doing what you said you're doing.
However herein lies an issue. Either option is likely. You've admitted we can't trust your claim. Maybe you're town or maybe you're dopp. But right now you're the biggest visible threat. If it inspects dopp like a dopp, and it claims town like a dopp, it's probably a dopp. My vote stands.
Ah but here's the thing my dear friend: The odds of you being dopp are a confirmed 1/4. Odds of being a Kook? Much much lower. Odds of there being multiple Kooks? Comparatively Astronomical! While it is possible for there to be multiple kooks the liklihood is low enough that we'd be safer playing the odds that you are just a straight up dopp.
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Nerjin: So, just to be clear, what you are saying is that Hapah is probably a dopp? However, you are also saying that it is just as likely that Hapah is a dopp as it is likely that Hapah is a kook? However, you are also saying that the chance of Hapah being a kook is much smaller than the chance of Hapah being a dopp? Those can't all be true.
Also, guess who else claims town? Town does.
What I said was that if inspected there was a ¼ [now 2/5] of his claim of Kook being true. The likelihood that he is Dopp is higher. I can sorta see how that may have been misconveyed. Also with the town claim thing I have no real excuse. Get too worked up I guess.
Nerjin, have you read any Paranormals? Have you played any games with a miller role? Was your post #54 an RVS one or a shameless attempt to tunnel Hapah based on a nulltell?
You IC'd on my first mafia game. This is my first one with a Miller role. I have read some of the Paranormals. Apparently not any of the ones where Miller roles are discussed... Also RVS. I was sort of hoping he'd panic but no such luck.
Nerjin, have you played a paranormal before? Scratch that, have you played any open setup with millers before? And you are aware, that there have been multiple kook claims within a single game before?
Also, did you take into account that claiming a kook as town is pretty much the standard, but claiming kook as scum is extremely ballsy? While it would statistically be a good move for a single dopp to do this, it does take balls to be in the spotlight as scum, and slightest mistakes might earn you an evening in the gallows.
To reiterate: No I have not played Paranormal before. I have no played open setup before. No I did not see a kook claim before. Ballsy claims can work rather well when everyone assumes that those who do it couldn't possibly be Dopp because it's too ballsy. The slightest mistake bit is true for every role. Not just scum.
It seems safer to me to just off you today then just in case. Here's what you're probably trying.
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I disagree, because we'll have more information overall if we lynch somebody else. He's an easy lynch right now, and if he does flip dopple, we'll have less to go on for picking tomorrow's targets.
The most dangerous scenario is that he's a doppelganger war vet, and he's encouraging us to night action him. But I think that's a long shot. He could just as easily be a town war vet, and he's trying to save town while encouraging the dopples to night-kill him.
Anyways, if we don't lynch him, and he survives the night, then I think he's worth some more attention. Unvote.
I would, however, view anyone pushing for his lynch with an ounce of suspicion, considering he's confirmed town if he's telling the truth.
Captain Ford as I've said before this makes little to no sense. Your attempts at explaining this away have been sub-par at best. I find it hard to believe that you just happened to forget a large amount of information like what happens when a Kook is examined. Also I fail to see how leaving him alive for a night would give more information.
Captain Ford:
The most dangerous scenario is that he's a doppelganger war vet, and he's encouraging us to night action him. But I think that's a long shot. He could just as easily be a town war vet, and he's trying to save town while encouraging the dopples to night-kill him.
How does claiming Kook attract night actions?
I mentioned this in my last post, but I derped and managed to forget that Kook meant that a race inspect was worthless.
Anyways, if we don't lynch him, and he survives the night, then I think he's worth some more attention. Unvote.
This is complete bullshit. Please explain to me how it makes any sense at all that his survival of the night would have any bearing whatsoever on his alignment?
Yes, it is. It has no bearing on his alignment. I was responding to Nerjin saying "My vote stands" by saying "that's stupid. Wait until we have more information".
Captain Ford, I'm noticing worrying behaviour from you: You asked me about how to run a Doppelganger role as well as going to great lengths to defend Hapah in a... I don't...
1. I'm terrible at coming up with questions. I picked a random role and then realized it was a more interesting question if I added 'doppleganger' in front of it. That's all.
2. I was not defending Hapah. I was positing a plausible scenario, seeking others opinions (since I'm still new), and seeing how Nerjin reacted to my pointing suspicion towards him (subtly).
Captain Ford, what are you hoping for this post to accomplish?
My primary objective was to post. Beyond that, to seek other's opinions (I certainly got them) and inspire debate. Also, to probe Nerjin (and Hapah) for a reaction.
I had worried that it might look like me defending Hapah, so I waited until after it played out a bit to post my opinion.
Bolded for emphasis by me.
Okay... Wait until we have more information may mean something later on but not during the RVS. Besides the only information we can count on is the information we have now. More MAY come along but I always assume the game will die down soon. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and what not.
As for bold part #2: Subtle indeed! But I think you'll find that most of your posts where we discussed the Kook roll was you defending Hapah. In fact you seem awfully keen on leaving him alive to probe him tomorrow.
Bold part the third: I saw you prodding me for a reaction. Much less so you prodding Hapah. Care to point out where you did that?
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