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Should we betray and invade the Cardassians?

Hell yes! Killsteal the Klingons!
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No, we are a race with honor!
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2012, 04:01:51 am »

That's a huge double post. How long do you reckon it'll take until our new colonies are up and running, with shipyard to extand our range? Aren't you afraid of the Klingon ships over Mintaka? Are we going to face the rest of the Galaxy as soon as the Cardassians fell?
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« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2012, 04:05:20 am »

Turn 210 cont’d

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Operation Blitzkrieg is a go. News channels across the Federation play out the war declaration endlessly, sparking a wave of militarism.

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The first battle of the war is at Minos Korva. Our troop transports warp in just in time to join the battle.

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The transports are the key to victory here. The Outpost is almost certainly done for, but if they take down the lightly armored transports before we can kill them, we’ll have to postpone the invasion. We’ve decloaked all our ships before the battle, so hopefully the outpost commander will target anything else other than the transports.

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He chooses to target the scout vanguard instead of the transports. The outpost outranges us, so we cannot fire back this turn.

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He goes down without taking a single Romulan vessel with him. The scouts’ torpedoes mainly did all the work here – the slower cruisers didn’t even fire their weapons.

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At Ariannus, the Strike Fleet destroys the Outpost with no losses, thanks to their powerful torpedoes that down it instantly.

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At Blue Horizon, Force 2 achieves surprise as they turn their weapons on the Federation Outpost.

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At Ekos, we… wait, what?

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Damn Ferengi! We direct all fire on the lead ship, but its shields hold.

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Welp. We didn’t destroy a single Ferengi ship.

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News of the defeat is overwhelmed by the victories against the Federation, with almost no airtime devoted to the Ferengi threat. However, some popular editorials criticize the betrayal of the Federation, calling it a stain on Romulan honor. But honor is for the Klingons; we Romulans value pragmatism above all else.

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The defenses on Minos Korva are stronger since last turn – the Federation powered up the planetary shields over both planets in the system. This decreases the effectiveness of planetary bombardment, and since our troops in space are already disadvantaged against the Federation’s ground forces (180 to 202 in ground combat strength), I elect to postpone the invasion for a turn while the other ships take down the orbital batteries and planetary shields. If we fail this invasion, we can’t bring in extra troops from elsewhere, so discretion is the order of the day here. Otar is still being invaded this turn, though.

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To the south, I decloak the fleets over Ariannus and Blue Horizon in preparation for their planetary bombardments next turn, and order in the troop transports so we can invade the turn after. The uncertainty here is the Federation’s final fleet over Sarona – 6 Light Cruiser IIs and 8 assorted smaller vessels. These lighter ships can move at 2 sectors per turn, fast enough to intercept and force the inbound troop transports at Blue Horizon into a space battle. We will be able to defeat them, but they still threaten our vulnerable transports. The Second Fleet is ordered toward Sarona, hopefully catching the slower Light Cruiser IIs halfway.

Turn 211

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The Second Fleet instead nabs the Federation’s 5 Miranda-class destroyers north of Blue Horizon.

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They are destroyed instantly. Perhaps they were rushing to Ariannus?

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Our assault on Minos Korva goes okay-ish. We only destroy 1 orbital battery in exchange for the loss of 2 Scout IIs, but we kill 6 million, dropping the ground combat strength to 190.

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The simultaneous invasion of Otar goes swimmingly, with minimal collateral damage.

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We also get a breakthrough in Propulsion tech. This extends the range of our long-range ships (only scouts) by 1 sector. As we have level 5 in all tech fields, we get improved laboratories, intel centers, and some special structures. The Singularity Plant would have been a great boon to us 50 turns ago, as it provides +2 dilithium for the hefty cost of 800(!) energy. As we’re currently in a recession and unable to build any more ships, it isn’t useful for now. The Naval Academy is our version of the Zakdorn Academy, only available in Romulus and providing +1 morale as well.

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Now that we’re at tech level 5, we have 2 research targets to pick from, both concerning defense. We can go for the D’deridex Warbird, a short-range command ship, or the Romulan Starbase. The Starbase is cheaper, more heavily armed and shielded, but it is immobile, whereas Warbirds can be shifted around our key systems to counter the enemy.

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A look at the newly acquired system of Otar – it pretty much sucks. They are ‘disgruntled’ about being conquered and due to the credit deficit, can’t build anything.

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The invasion of Minos Korva, Blue Horizon and Ariannus are ordered simultaneously.

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The Federation’s remaining 6 Light Cruiser IIs are seen here departing from Sarona. They could interrupt the Blue Horizon invasion, so the Second Fleet is sent there to pre-empt that.

Turn 212

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Oh yes!

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The Federation cruisers diverted north, possibly to rescue the besieged system of Minos Korva. The failed invasion of Ariannus cost us two troop transports and the scout there, but we destroyed the orbital battery. The Strike Fleet’s ships are all still intact, and they will continue bombing the system.

Force 2, involved in the successful invasion of Blue Horizon, lost its scout to the orbital battery. It’s replaced by the RNS Dark Raptor, which was originally for the battery. In the north, Force 1 at Minos Korva cloaks in preparation for the Federation cruisers, and the 2 leftover troop transports get to work building an outpost.

Force 2 and the leftover troop transport at Blue Horizon will proceed over to Ariannus to help the Strike Fleet with bombing.

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An inside look at the system of Minos Korva, probably the Federation’s first colony. Level 5 structures of all types make this more advanced than any of our own systems, but the morale penalty squashes production.

Turn 213

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The bombs continue to rain down on Ariannus.

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The Federations tries to force a non-aggression treaty, but we’ll reject it.

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The Outpost finished construction already, thanks to the improved capabilities of the Troop Transport II. We’ll send the other one to Ariannus, escorted by Force 1. The two Scouts at Otar will head on over to investigate the unknown star, as suggested by Captain Haspen. The extra range allows Second Fleet to continue pursuing the Federation cruisers (now lessened to 4, as 2 others split off to north of Sarona).

Turn 214

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Oh, are we at this again? The Ferengi can’t really threaten our systems, as they’ve got no troop transports and only a handful of ships.

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The Federation cruisers look to be threatening ours at Ariannus, where Force 2 just starting bombing. I’m confident that Force 2 and Strike Fleet, even uncloaked, will be able to handle them, so I send Second Fleet on to Canopus to strike the outpost there.

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In the meantime, I just noticed this – a sizable Klingon Fleet over Cardassia. It includes 2 of their assault transports, making it an invasion fleet. Cardassia has also been bombed, reducing their population and severely damaging the orbital battery defenses.

Turn 215

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A Ferengi Explorer II blunders into our new outpost on Minos Korva.

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Second Fleet encounters half of the Federation cruisers at the Canopus outpost.

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They are destroyed easily in the initial decloaking round.

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The Outpost attempts to return fire, but not for long.

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The Federation also send a single Destroyer to relieve the bombardment of Ariannus. It doesn’t go so well.

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Bleh. We’ll have to rebuild those, and the Listening Post will be offline for a while.

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Our ambassador makes an unfortunate sashimi joke during first contact with the Antedeans, sending our relationship into the toilet. Well, we don’t need them anyway.

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The Mintakans cheer us on against the Ferengi, but I decide to accept peace with them. I’d rather not have them threatening our southern front with the Klingons.

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We can’t see it now that the Listening Post at Mintaka is offline, but the Klingon fleet is still there. Cardassia decreased to 248 million population from 312 last turn.

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Second Fleet shall move on to pulverize the Tama outpost as well, while the scout duo continues on to the last uncharted star in the galaxy. Also, note that we’re (just barely) out of the deficit, which means we get to start producing again.

Turn 216

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We get the pair of Tamarian Defenders, appropriately enough, defending the Tama Outpost.

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The system of Invernia isn’t that interesting, but apparently the Federation (partially) terraformed it.

The Federation’s last forces are now 2 Light Cruiser IIs and a troop transport in Canopus, as well as a Command Cruiser newly built on Tama. We order the (second) invasion of Ariannus this turn. It’s supported by Force 1, Force 2, and the Strike Fleet.

Turn 217

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Second Fleet doesn’t manage to catch the Federation cruisers in Canopus, but the Command Cruiser had the same idea to join up with them.

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The Galaxy-class is formidable, but it’s no match for the combined firepower of Second Fleet.

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The invasion of Ariannus is a success! … but that’s a lot of collateral damage.

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The Federation builds its universities well, it seems. Nothing else survived the bombing.

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Damn. The Federation’s level 6 farms are so expensive that we can’t buy them now. We can’t even afford a charge collectors+replicators combo, so the people of Ariannus have to starve for now.

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From here, there are 4 Federation systems left. Bryma is the easiest target, with only 38 million population and no orbital defenses, but it’s currently out of range. Tama and Canopus are both fortress systems, with 315 million population and 6 orbital batteries. Sarona is less so, but still boasts 5 orbital batteries.

Turn 218

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Not much happens this turn. I’m shifting fleets around trying to catch those Fed ships, and shuttling over new scouts on Romulus.

Turn 219

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A breakthrough in energy tech gives us Subatomic Simulators. They provide +150 research for 80 energy. It’s expensive, but well worth it.

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Somehow I find it suspicious that the Federation is building ships so fast. They’ve also got a Destroyer II down near Romulus.

Turn 220

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Force 2 and the Second Fleet obliterate 3 Light Cruiser IIs outside Sarona.

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Two bitter enemies making peace. Oh, the wonders of galactic diplomacy.

Turn 221

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We steamroll the remaining Federation ships at Sarona.

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Hmm, I’m tempted to accept this. We’re sort-of not-quite at war with the Klingons, but it’s been more of a cold war since the peace treaty expired.

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But that’s a whole lot of Klingon ships around Cardassia. Ten Battle Cruiser IIs and 5 Destroyers in all. The Cardassians seem to be losing badly – Cardassia has been in for another round of Klingon bombing. They’ve not yet lost, with a force of 10 cruisers in the south, but we’ll pass on helping the Cardassians for now.

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And here’s a look at Mintaka, now back to its pre-comet strike glory. We’re feeding the entire population on one farm!

Turn 222

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A pair of scouts from Romulus hunt down the USS Montreal, which was the destroyer in our space.

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The Ferengi are back to saber-rattling. Undoubtedly the Federation nudged them into it.

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Klingon ships are coming out of the woodwork. It looks like the Cardassians are really done for this time. Also, to the east, the Klingons colonized Sarthong and the Ferengi probably built an outpost on Trill.
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2012, 04:10:02 am »

That's a huge double post. How long do you reckon it'll take until our new colonies are up and running, with shipyard to extand our range? Aren't you afraid of the Klingon ships over Mintaka? Are we going to face the rest of the Galaxy as soon as the Cardassians fell?

Shipyards will probably be built within 20 turns or so, but it takes about a hundred turns for the 'conquered' morale penalty to wear off. The Klingons only have 2 troop transports, and since we're not (officially) at war, we'll get at least one turn's warning before they can invade. And yes, by the time the Federation falls, the Klingons will likely swallow up the Cardassians, leaving the galaxy split between us and them. The Ferengi are quite inconsequential at the moment, they've only got two serious systems (Malcor and Yridia).
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2012, 08:14:17 am »

Why did you post the same update for the third time already!? My browser is exploding D:
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #94 on: May 31, 2014, 11:18:43 pm »

Hey guys, I just found my old computer and the saves of this game. Is anyone still interested in me continuing this LP?
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #95 on: June 01, 2014, 04:25:42 am »

Sure, I remember this one!  Might be fun if you're up for it.
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« Reply #96 on: June 01, 2014, 04:33:28 am »

Yep! Especially that I don't play BotF anymore, so watching an old LP of it will be entertaining :3
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #97 on: June 01, 2014, 01:45:49 pm »

So it’s been a while, and everyone’s likely forgotten what was happening. Thus I decided to do a quick summary of our empire instead of an update, to catch you guys up. (I’m also a bit mystified myself).

Turn 222 Summary
The Known Galaxy
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Geopolitics (galpolitics?)
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #98 on: June 01, 2014, 05:01:00 pm »

Nice summary, fun to see this back.
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2014, 01:42:31 pm »

I'd suggest you colonize Sol and quickly purchase Charge Collectors, a Dilithium Refinery, and Advanced Replicators. That'll jump-start the system and allow you to open Zakdorn to fleet production.

What's the status of the Borg? Did they go home or are they just out of sensor range?

Also, I'd take the Second Fleet into Cardassian/Klingon territory and see if I could catch small groups of Klingon ships alone. Just 4 or 5 heavily one-sided engagements in your favor with cloaked ships will seriously reduce the red menace.
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2014, 03:33:32 pm »

Turn 223

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Our treasury is already in the dumps: this can’t be good.

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This Klingon fleet seems to be bombing Cardassia again. There’s still no sign of Klingon troop transports, though – perhaps they intend to wipe out the Cardassians instead of conquering them.

Turn 224

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The Ferengi have gone one step further than their constant non-aggression treaties. This is probably in their interest, seeing as the Cardassian fleet could bomb them unopposed if they were so inclined.

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This is less expected – what were the Federation leaders thinking? Declaring war incurs a morale penalty for the Federation, and in any case the Cardassians have a fleet; the Federation do not.

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And in other diplomatic news, the Federation offers us a peace treaty. Our answer is obvious.

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I seem to be falling victim to a bug here – I keep trying to buy these charge collectors, and despite the fact that I have sufficient credits, the purchase doesn’t go through. Guess the humans will have to starve for a bit while I try to get around this.

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The Listening Post at Mintaka reports that the Klingon have added a force of 3 Scout IIs (which have cloaking devices) to the forces we saw last turn over Cardassia. To the southeast, another Klingon Battle Cruiser II escorts their troop transport for the invasion. The Cardassian fleet, 16 ships including 10 cruisers, does nothing at the Kholfa outpost. It looks as if they’re going to abandon Cardassia itself, but surely they know the Klingons will come for them next.

Turn 225

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I set the Strike Fleet and Force 2 to meet up northwest of Cardassia. With 7 ships total, I’m loathe to send them in against the Klingon fleet, so they’ll just roam the area and try to pick off lone Klingon vessels. It might have been better to send the Second Fleet here to get enough firepower to squash the Klingon invasion, but we need that firepower to support the invasion of Tama, especially as we don’t have enough troop transports to ensure ground superiority. The Empire is spread thin.

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Over Tama Romulan ships decloak, preparing to bomb the system. All we’re waiting for is that one more scout south of the neutron star to join us before invading.

Turn 226

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More inconsequential diplomatic stuff happens. I’ll never understand why dying empires seem to go into the schizophrenic loop of declaring wars and peace.

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Also the Klingons, for some unknowable reason, back away from the invasion of Cardassia. I have no idea why, given that they can easily win this invasion. Cardassia hasn’t gotten away unscathed though, it’s at 55/400 population and I doubt they’ll be building any more ships.

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Speaking of invasions, our troops in Tama are given the order. The Tamarians have great superiority in ground forces, but our advantage in orbital bombardment should be enough to pull this off.

Also, the humans in Ariannus are still starving because I can’t seem to buy the stupid replicators. Auggggh.

Turn 227

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Shit, that wasn’t supposed to happen.

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At least we put a dent in the population, though. Force 1 and the Second Fleet will continue to bombard the system to take those planetary shields offline. The Federation has launched another Galaxy-class cruiser, but it can’t win against our overwhelming forces. In the meantime, I’ll shuttle up more troop transports for another try (one just finished building at Romulus).

Also, note that Antede has leapt up to 230 (max) population from 170 the turn before, and now boasts 11(!) orbital batteries. We probably won’t be conquering them anytime soon.

In happier news, I finally got the purchase of the replicators at Ariannus to go through. Now to buy the charge collectors and end this farce.

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Oh shit, there’s the Klingons in the south – 9 battlecruisers, 1 destroyer, and 1 troop transport total. If they go for Ekos we’re screwed, we don’t have orbital batteries there and don’t have the ground combat strength to fend them off. Hopefully they got for Kholfa instead. Force 2 and the Strike Fleet will head for them, but I stupidly split them up to catch the stragglers around Cardassia.

Turn 228

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We make some headway in wearing down Tama, but the planetary shields are still up. The Federation cruiser fled east to Canopus, by the way.

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Level 6 computer tech doesn’t get us anything by itself, but now we only need level 6 weapons tech to unlock Warbirds (don’t expect one for a while, though).

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The Klingons have smashed the Cardassians at Kholfa, losing their troop transport in exchange for all 10 Cardassian cruisers and a few destroyers. There’s no telling what they could do next, but I guess they’ll head home to pick up a new transport. Force 2 and the Strike Fleet are set to meet at Vadris.

Turn 229

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Our ships continue to exact a bloody toll on Tama, shutting down the planetary shields, but the Tamarians have launched an orbital battery. Next turn could be bloody.

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I’ll accept this treaty for the credits, though the Ferengi are no threat to us.

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The Klingons jump to Mintaka – Klingon Battle Cruiser IIs can move 2 sectors per turn. There are 8 Klingon vessels to our 7, but the Strike Cruisers are deadly in a sneak attack. Force 2 and Strike Fleet are sent to meet them.

Turn 230

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However, the majority of the Klingon force disappears before our ships warp in.

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The remaining battlecruiser and destroyer are easily dispatched by our forces.

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Luckily, the ship destroyed was the scout RNS Dark Comet of Force 1, and not a more valuable cruiser.

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The rest of the Klingons retreat into their space. Force 2 will pursue while the Strike Fleet takes up watch over Cardassia.

Turn 231

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The troop transport arrives over Tama this turn. There’s another orbital battery up and running though, so we’ll postpone the invasion by another turn.

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The Tamarians yell some gibberish at us, but they’ll be under Romulan rule soon enough.

Turn 232

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Somewhat miraculously, we take down the orbital battery without the loss of a cruiser. Perhaps this is because scouts are weaker than cruisers? Regardless, the (second) invasion of Tama is ordered this turn.

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In the southeast, no sign of the Klingons. This is annoying – despite the Listening Post at Mintaka, the X-ray Pulsar is disrupting our scans in the region around it. I’m sure there’s an outpost at the unknown red star, as it was witnessed by our scout fleet. Presumably the Klingon fleet is there.

Turn 233

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Hell yes, time to look at what we’ve got.

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Tama is the most advanced system we’ve seen so far, with level 9 structures. We’ll rush-buy the dilithium refinery just so we can get another system building ships.

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Our forces will head to Canopus next, hopefully catching Starfleet’s last ship there. I’m not too sure what they’ll do next though – we’ll need another 6 scouts to take on the orbital batteries. Maybe we’ll raid the system’s commerce.

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In the southeast, still no sign of the Klingons. I set our forces to retreat a little toward Cardassian space. Note that our scan strength in that orange star system has fallen even further due to the effects of the X-ray Pulsar.
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #101 on: June 02, 2014, 03:40:12 pm »

To Ivan: I already played through part of the update when I saw your post. I suppose rush-colonising Sol would have been the better course of action than banging my head against the Tamarian wall, but hey, it (eventually) worked. Zakdorn is doing a factory upgrade, so it'll be Ekos producing ships for the nonce. Also, I'm 99% sure the Borg are dead, we wiped out their 2 cubes and haven't seen another yet.

Regarding the tactical situation, it's frustrating, to say the least. The Klingon ships can move 2 sectors per turn to our 1, so they're running rings around Force 2 and Strike Fleet. There's also the stupid pulsar, blinding us and our range limiting how far we can strike into Klingon space. I doubt sending in the Second Fleet would have done much good in this update.
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #102 on: June 02, 2014, 05:03:11 pm »

Great to see this back online.
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« Reply #103 on: June 02, 2014, 05:27:09 pm »

It's still good that you dealt with Tama, if the Federation doesn't have any other systems with dilithium then you should just kill that Command Cruiser II and sign a peace agreement. Without any dilithium they should be impotent now, or does the game simply cheat dilithium for the AI when you're playing on impossible?

As a suggestion, hovering over the icon for your troop transports will show their ground attack rating. That will help figure out if an invasion will succeed. Also, you'll have a lot more success with invasions if you let your fleet bombard the system for a turn before you send in the troop transports. The AI automatically tries to knock out any existing orbital batteries before it destroys structures or population. Since each operational battery gives +50 ground defense then taking the extra turn to knock them out can make invasions a lot easier.

In terms of the Klingons, I've sometimes just taken my best guess and randomly sent fleets around enemy territory to hunt down enemy ships. As long as you can avoid the cloaked scout ships then you can possibly get lucky.

Finally, I've run into the buy-structure glitch myself. My best suggestion is to queue up the thing you want, then add trade goods to the end of the list, then buy the item. If you've got anything else in the list, or if you don't have trade goods then it can be fiddly to buy things, but one at a time like that has been successful for me.
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Re: Let's Play Star Trek: Birth of the Federation!
« Reply #104 on: June 02, 2014, 08:32:17 pm »

Oh good, this LP is back. Remember Mintaka!
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