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[TheBiggerFish]

Why not give the scroll to the dragon, so they all survive?

...Because that ruins the joke?

[Kot]

Because that would be somewhere between 0.25-0.5 on Henderson Scale of Plot Derailment. Fucking players always trying to outwit the GM.

[TheBiggerFish]

You want the negative numbers.

[hector13]

You want the negative numbers.

You would know

Alternatively, that's just what you want, Mr. Railroad.

[Kot]

No, Henderson Scale doesn't depend on wether they're succesful in what they do, it depends on wether they do what DM wants, and if the DM gets them into situation like this when there are three scrolls and four people in party, he totally intends one to almost die or something, beause:
a) He's a dick
b) He wants to see who will be left behind
c) The abandoned person will totally survive and have a chance to get back on their old friends arses, drama ensues

Because, well, that's what a good, dickish DM would do.

[TheBiggerFish]

@Kot:Go read the scale again.  Then come back.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Henderson_Scale_of_Plot_Derailment

-0.5 Hendersons   The action undertaken has solved the current plot, and nearly solved the main subplot. It has also had a minutely positive effect on the main plot and the game universe as a whole, outside of your party.

I'd peg giving the scroll to the dragon as about a... -0.35

[hector13]

I'd say that Kot is right, given that I don't think any GM would necessarily anticipate a player giving a scroll of featherfall to a flying beast, and would thus would be somewhat thrown by the idea for a moment.

Certainly to the point of being a .25 on the scale from all the players processing the "What the fu- hey that might actually work..." while the GM frantically tries to figure out how to keep things going the way they wanted it to.

'cause obviously having fewer scrolls than party members, they had plans beyond the broken beasty, even if it was just to get rid of a shitty annoying PC.

[TheBiggerFish]

Yes, but the effects of that are clearly towards SOLVING plot issues, not derailing the plot.

[Kot]

You still don't get. It's not about solving the plot issues. By your logic, Henderson basically solved the plot issues at -1 Hendersons when he killed Hastur, which isin't a thing. He made full 2 Hendersons because, well, uh, he killed Hastur which shouldn't fucking happen. Goddamnit, by your logic That Guy Destroys Psionics did it, and he's the only one who actually passed two full Hendersons. It's about not doing what the guy running the game wanted or anticipated you to do. While you may argue he wanted it to go this way, it would be fucking hard to anticipate them giving feather fall to a goddamn injurned dragon. After all, it was the DM who, more or less, caused the dragon to be shoot at.

[Egan_BW]

But I also wouldn't think the GM would expect a -9 on the scale as described. I feel like the negatives are just confusing the whole matter.

[Kot]

I don't know anymore really, it's 7 AM, but I still think that giving a featherfall scroll to a dragon is something that Old Man Henderson would do.

[TheBiggerFish]

Meh.  I have my interpretation.

[hector13]

But I also wouldn't think the GM would expect a -9 on the scale as described. I feel like the negatives are just confusing the whole matter.

Well... the -9 certainly is absurd, but if you basically consider the Henderson scale as "This is how much you have de-railed the GM's gameplan", so negatives basically mean you're basically doing what the GM wants you to do, in more or less the way they expected it.

Edit: thank you, Kot, for giving me something interesting to read when I should be bloody sleeping

[TheBiggerFish]

Well, for some value of derail, that wasn't.  It was clearly expected that the feather fall scrolls be used on somebody for this purpose.

Also, no, you're resolving the plot instead of wrecking it in Negative Hendersons, but there's some level of WTFery either way.

[Spehss _]

What if we gave the dragon a cursed scroll of featherfall?