Jack:Your response makes sense. Your interactions with MrCelt still smell of scum to me, though, especially your arguments
against him being a mafioso and your rejection of Dariush for that reason.
*Has Shakerag answered me: Considering the fact that he has not posted in this game since I requested information from him...no. What exactly were you trying to do with this question?
I had
this question in mind, and wonder why you haven't pressed him further on it. But it's true he hasn't posted since.
I think that the MrCelt comment was a sarcastic rhetorical jab, though.
Seeing his more recent response, do you still think so?
ToonyMan:Dude, you're digging yourself deeper and deeper.
I don't think Leafsnail or MrCelt are deathmillers and if they are then you're lying about your role as a D1 scum move unless Webadict made two or more deathmillers, but I didn't read this as a bastard game so I'd like to believe the flips I see.
Believing the flips as you see them is fine. Lying through your teeth to make a case that I'm scum for not sharing your opinion is scummy. For example:
Your confidence in Leafsnail certainly being town feels too sure like you know what his real alignment is.
Certainty? Where do I claim certainty? You are
once again putting words in my mouth I have never said. All I said is that his flip reads like a town flip to me, and therefore find his "mafia" flip unreliable in context. Since I know death millers exist, I consider it likely he may have also been one, but note that there's no
certainty that he was town.
You are lying when claiming I said things I didn't.
As for the lack of other kills I addressed this before, the lack of other kills N1 is something that holds no significance of implication in your case:
Only mafia died N1 of BYOR8, Powder Miner had an ability to hide his role and alignment..
No town died N1 of BYOR6.3
Your examples here work
against your argument. As I've
said, a night with no kills is a different animal (many relatively common things can cause that), but if there
is a kill, it should be considered probable (though not certain) that a mafiakill was involved.
In your example, only BYOR8 and BYOR6.3 had N1 deaths. BYOR6.3 it wasn't a town, it was a brother, but it was a mafiakill that made it. In BYOR8 it was
also a mafiakill: PowerMinder had a power similar to that of MrCelt: suicide yourself to recruit a new scum.
In summary: in every case you cite, whenever someone died, a mafiakill was involved. Here someone died. We should consider it probable that a mafiakill was involved. Either a) the mafiakill was redirected to the mafioso Leafsnail, or b) it succeeded against the deathmiller Leafsnail, or c) a combination of a lucky block/protect on the mafiakill plus a town/SK vigkill.
As a coincidence is inherently less probable than a straight explanation, when combined with the other factors (townie-like flip, I know death millers exist) I find it more probable (but still not certain) that that's indeed what happened.
Again, feel free to disagree, but stop lying.
Powder Miner - Something Fun
(Auto) Fun: You are immune to blocks, redirections, or randomizations.
(1-Shot, Mafiakill) Something [target]: You recruit the target into the Mafia, giving them your role. This action cannot be stopped by protection, kill immunity, or blocks, though it may be stopped by other abilities. You die. You do not flip your role.
(Night) Have Some [target]: The target inspects as Mafia for this Night Phase.
I misread, [...] I bet I remembered a past game and put words in your mouth.
Which you are still doing:
- When did I ignore Leaf flipped mafia?
Huh? Do you mean "Leaf flipping mafia"? If that's true I don't understand what you're trying to say either way.
You said
here "[your argument] ignores the fact that: 3. Leaf flipped mafia". I challenged you then and challenge you again to point out when did I ignore Leaf flipped mafia. Or are you still misreading and misremembering (AKA "lying")?
Do you think Mr. Celt not claiming death-miller means he couldn't be one?
No, I think
his flip with a mafiakill and mafia-like abilities means he couldn't be one. You are the one bringing up "golden rules" and what claiming means for who could be what.
So 'Tiruin scum chores' again I see...
Asking you to state your scum picks or discuss the day mechanics is not a chore, it is a standard question, and it may even get your head out of your tunnel-like ass.
In summary: - You lie when you say I was certain Leaf was town.
- You lie when you say I forgot Leaf flipped mafia.
- You build a bullshit strawman by implying I care about who claimed miller when or how, or that I thought MrCelt was town.
- You admitted to lying about my D2 lynch target.
- You are ridiculously deflecting by calling my request for your picks "chores" that must mean I'm scum.
- Your argument about N1 kills is not a lie, merely ineffective.
Up to this point I had found your lies scummy, but haven't thought you are necessarily scum for them: mistrust of a miller claim is healthy and differing opinions on events are to be expected. However, your continued doubling-down on the same lies and coming up with new ones is forcing me to reevaluate this. Perhaps you
are building a bullshit case on lies on purpose after all, and not out of mere incompetence.
Wuba: please prod
Shakerag and
Tylui again. With a shotgun if you have to.