Shakerag:What happened in BYOR9?
Also seriously, Toaster's miller thing sucks. It's not entirely without merit, being a miller generally sucks, but it does not alleviate the sucking in any way or form.
So you do or do not stand by this old line of yours from BYOR9? Because the way I was reading it, it seemed like you didn't care much for claiming miller first post (which you did in this game).
Of course I stand by it, I said so earlier. Your reading comprehension needs work. Here, I'll rephrase: being a miller generally sucks. Toaster's thing does not alleviate the sucking in any way. It's not without merit (i.e., it's a valid way to handle it) but the intrinsic suckness is undiminished, therefore it sucks as a way to reduce the sucking.
If you reread it carefully, you'll see it parses to the exact same meaning as
Claiming first post is an interesting way to do it, though I still disagree with Toaster that it's the only correct play, or that second-post-or-later is in any way inferior or scummier than first-post. It's a valid way to handle it, though, and so I may choose it.
What do you think about my theory (posted earlier) of Leafsnail being some kind of specialized third-party hunter on the scumteam? Also ... given Leafsnail's role name ... it's amusing that you're postulating a theory on (death-)miller-ness being heavily present in the game. Almost like a conspiracy ...
There's not much of a theory there, all you said is "I ponder whether it's safe to assume we have a higher than average number of third-party roles in this game. Or oh god we have a cult. Or both." It's good that you ponder it. The theory of him being a "3rd-party hunter" is amusing, but mere speculation lacking additional information. A thing to keep in mind, but no indications of it being related to reality. As for the role name, at least it's marginally consistent with deathmillerness being a
thing, which is more than I can say for mine.
But I don't know it's heavily present; I only know that I am one, and that Leaf's flip is townie enough for me to consider he may have also been one.
Toaster:Book: Do you agree that death millers are one of the most anti-town roles there are? What would more than one of them in a game say to you?
Yes, the existence of a death miller is a great boost for scum, a point I made to wuba when I got my role. The possible existence of more than one however was unexpected, and on reflection I think leads to diminishing returns for scum (i.e. it'd be better for them if there was only one than if there are several), as the chances of fooling town with the fake flip are reduced once people claim them or start expecting it. It stills sucks for town if they can't trust flips, though.
If you were elected King, what information would you deduce from the people that voted for you? For your lynch target?
Hmmm... nothing directly for voting to elect or lynch me, I think. Scepticism is healthy. Voting to elect my lynch target would be a bit suspicious, though.
ToonyMan:For clarity, in case it was misunderstood: Leafsnail was scummy, I thought he was scum D1 and said so. After his flip, what with it being very town-like, lack of other kills, and my knowledge of there being death-millers, I now no longer think he was scum after all, regardless of his scummy behaviour D1.
You can't say somebody is scummy and then go back and go "wait no he's scummy but not really actually scum you see", it seems blatantly like lying to me.
Of course you can, because you have
additional information: his flip. Say it was a typical day where a townie is mislynched D1. D1 you may have think he was scum and voteworthy. D2, after seeing him flip town, you're perfectly justified to say "he was scummy, but I no longer think he was scum, since, duh, he flipped town". Perfectly kosher, yes?
In this case, Leaf didn't flip town, but his flip is townish enough that, in combination with my knowledge of there being death millers, I feel justified in no longer thinking he was scum, though I certainly thought he was during D1, before his flip.
Your ending here is also redirecting without even addressing my "death-miller" response.
Asking you questions and reminding you of pending ones is not redirecting, it's scummy of you to say it is. Plus I left nothing unanswered. If you mean this:
So you show up mafia on inspects and death? Great. We'll get the role-cops to inspect you tonight then!! Bookthras.
I see no questions there, nor any way to address what is basically a sarcastic reiteration of exactly the same thing I said. If you have questions you'd like me to address, ask them.
Dariush:Book, why did you choose to wait until the middle of D2 to claim your deathmillership?
I answered this already:
In this case, since I had that extra bit of millerness I mentioned above, I figured claiming the first part soon was the right way to approach the situation, and claim the second if there was reason for it, or if I predicted I might get killed (so people would know not to trust my flip). Leafsnail's fishy flip qualifies as "reason for it".
I claimed it when I decided there was reason to claim it. If you are asking why not earlier in the day, I could hardly do that, since that was my first post of D2.
As far as the election is concerned, I'll throw my weight behind
Toaster, who seems to be the saner choice around.
Wuba: please prod
MrCelt and
Tylui.
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