Oh man, you guys are talkative today! Love an active game.
...catching up:
Leafsnail:firstly this is the most townie I've ever seen Dariush play. Secondly your explanation for your Dariush vote is a strategy for mislynching people (which works especially well on Dariush because Dariush acts scummy as hell once you get him angry), not a strategy for identifying scum. This implies Dariush is town because mafia members don't usually try to mislynch their buddies.
(and similar Dariush-related answers): No, I think your contention that Dariush is playing townie is both false and scummy; he has been known to raeg as town or be calm as scum, his level of bile should not be indicative of his alignment, and your continued pressing of this point is really not helping you seem less scummy, on the contrary it makes it seem you have an ulterior motive to clear him of suspicion.
Dariush is a player who almost invariably turns up something suspicious when you tunnel him, so this is a mislynching strategy.
Not so, otherwise the correct play would be to just stay clear of him. Tunneling him for a while may or may not turn something suspicious, but then it needs to be analysed and weighed in context with the rest of the game, so even if it does it's misleading of you to say that it must be a mislynching strategy. It can equally be a strategy to, you know, scumhunt him.
So no, still not rolefishing, and your doubling down on that stance is scummy.
So yeah that is a coinflip answer with a sentence of handwaving that tells me nothing about your alignment or the game.
Actions could inform you if there's a theme if 1) they are fairly rare actions and are modified weirdly implying that there are other people with differently modified or unmodified versions of the action or 2) you have a certain class of action and there's something to imply other people have it too (eg "You can revive once on death. You can kill another player - if you do so, that player can never be revived" or "You can follow another player in the night. If another player tries to follow you they will always see you visit their house" and so on). As an example I would take Hapah from last game - the fact he had a revival ability and a "kill everybody else" action implied there may have been ways for other people to survive being killed, thus suggesting a revival theme.
Also bullshit. Just because you
could give an answer based on your role does not make the question rolefishing. See: "Hey Bob, if you had a daykill when would you use it?" Bob (thinking to himself):
well, I do have a daykill so I'll give an answer based on that instead of a generic one.
The question is still not rolefishing. Your mental contortions to make it seem so are scummy, as they betray either a need not to go back on your statements (as townie you could just have said "oh, right, never mind then" but as scum you shouldn't as it could be seen as scummy) or a need to build a bullshit case on the person asking the question (you know, "a mislynch strategy").
Imiknorris:This has all been validated by UI claiming a form of scum by the way
Survivors are not a form of scum and you damn well know it. Remember BYOR 10?
I do. Survivors are not scum per se, but they are definitely not town, a point I made clearly in BYOR10. Whatever you are, you are not town, so prolonging your existence is not a priority for town.
I tend to believe your survivor claim based on meta: on previous games you have said that if you were a survivor you would claim it D1; I don't recall ever seeing it happen, but you doing it here makes sense. On the other hand, survivor or not, a non-town with a kill shouldn't be running loose, and you are scummy enough to be faking at least part of that claim, so yeah: lynching you has a higher upside than letting you live. The only downside is that Leafsnail survives.
You seriously thought a revive wasn't one-shot?
Urist Imiknorris: I've learned not to assume things not given in BYOR roleclaims. Repeated autorevives do have some precedent in BYORs (Darvi in BYOR 7, for example, could autorevive several times).
So could Jim as recently as BYOR 10, so yeah, you (UI) were dishonest not to specify, and scummy for saying you didn't need to. Which reminds me, on the topic of ambiguous claims:
(auto) Onion Reserves: I revive if I'm nightkilled.
(1-shot, night) x5: Red Pikmin: Block; Yellow Pikmin: Delay; Blue Pikmin: Protect; Purple Pikmin: Kill; White Pikmin: Randomize
Regardless of whether you think it's obvious or not, your failing to explicitly claim your revive as one-shot is scummy. You were hedging your bets and claiming a little bit fakey, so how are we to know how fake is the rest?
On top of that, the 1-shot x5 does not specify whether it must be
one of each, or a total of five in any combination. My role from BYOR8 had a x3 action that could protect, randomize, or block, and did not need to be one of each, I could do three blocks for instance. So, just as your ambiguous language left open the possibility of you having multiple revives, it also leaves it open that you have
up to five kills. Sounding more like an SK rather than survivor, yes?
So, you claim to have (at least one) nightkill and be guaranteed to survive (at least one) night. It would be stupid of town to let a non-town with those abilities live to use the kill(s) on whoever they want.
Again, they'd have to kill me before they'd have the leverage to make me side with them. And then I'd be bitter, and I have ways of fucking with their kills
Scum don't need leverage on a Survivor at all, do they? You'll side with scum if they are dominant, town if town is dominant: it's in your interest to do so. Hell, unless you really antagonize the scum, they've no reason to attack you at all, as it runs counter to their wincon (you are potentially an asset). Is there something I'm missing?
The fact that playing town is more fun and fun is why I play Mafia.
This is utter bullshit. Sure, as survivor I would too prefer a town victory if possible, but I will take
any path to victory that presents itself. Playing to win is paramount, and your trying to say you'd side with town because of fuzzy feelings is disingenuous and a scummy attempt at manipulation.
Conclusion: Leafsnail is marginally scummier, but
Imiknorris is the safer lynch, as he's scummy enough, guaranteed non-town, and his claim could mask a SK.
But, let's be careful with the voting (especially since people seem to want to extend), as there may be a premature hammer. By my (unofficial count):
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Urist Imiknorris - ToonyMan, Leafsnail, Jack A T, Toaster, Bookthras
Leafsnail - Urist Imiknorris, Dariush, Shakerag, Tylui,
Not Voting - Hapah (oh how original)
7 To Hammer.
If correct, this leaves Imiknorris at L-2, Leaf at L-3.
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