Jack A T:
Dariush:
So far, I'd say Dariush and Urist seem most scummy to me, though perhaps not on the same team. They are both posting often but not a lot of substance.
Tylui: As compared to the average RVS-stage posting habits of the average player?
Yes. To me RVS is an institution put in place by the town that says basically "You have to follow suit, otherwise you're going to start looking scummy right away". It's a set of rules that everyone has to follow. like a screening process. Just because it's boring that doesn't mean you can half-ass your posts and not participate even a little without eliciting some negative attention.
Bookthras:
Tylui:
Leafsnail, Deathsword, MrCelt, and Bookthras: I've never seen you on Bay12 at all, I don't think, though I don't lurk as often as I used to. When did you join the forums and why?
First of all, as has been said before: do not ever, ever, EVER! edit your posts in a mafia game. That's massively uncool and is likely to get you modkilled if you do it again. I understand that mistakes happen, please make sure you understand it was a mistake and that it should not happen again.
As to your question: yes, we've played together before: back on BYOR5, where you were Samus Aran, and ToonyMan was the Webadict, I accused you of being the webadict yourself. At the time, I was using the moniker "Zathras", I am now "Bookthras". Details are complicated, let's just say I'm what's left after life's mandibles chewed up and excreted the remains of Zathras and Book... but it's still me who said that then.
I joined a little over two years ago. I had played forum mafia a bit elsewhere, and when that group dissolved someone pointed me here; I lurked for a few weeks reading old games, and came to the conclusion I liked the style and the fauna, so I joined BMXIV and a bit later BYOR4.
...the rest, as they say, is history.
Thank you again for the edit reminder. As I said I hadn't even thought about it; the only thing I changed was moving around the peoples' names that I was directing my discussions to; and it won't happen again.
I remember Zathras, just never put the two together! So you joined just to play our Mafia boards?
Dariush:
So far, I'd say Dariush and Urist seem most scummy to me, though perhaps not on the same team. They are both posting often but not a lot of substance.
Wow, you must be an Oracle. As of your post, the game lasted less than a day. I made whopping two posts during this time that consisted of three paragraphs combined. Yet you managed to already deduce that I'm acting scummy. Do you classify anything that doesn't conform to the traditional 'X, whom do you like playing with, Y, whom are you afraid of, Z blahblahblah' formula as scummy?
I'm not an Oracle. I'm just a man playing mafia, and you seem the most scummy. You may have only made two posts, but your attitude speaks at a louder volume than your words. You do defend yourself passionately, but, Mr. Defensive, are you going to start playing as a townsperson and try to find out who is mafia scum? If you really are innocent, you shouldn't have to be so defensive! If the entire purpose of the "conformity" is to try to weed out scum, then YES most things that DON'T conform to a pro-town institution is, guess what, scummy.
Also, you imply that Shakerag's RVS questions serve NO purpose, and yet the only question you've asked all game is "Why did you waste a PFP on this?". Doesn't really seem like an RQS question.
Did I say this was an RVS question? No, it wasn't. I wanted to get tangible information out of his answer. Do you classify asking non-RVS questions during RVS as scummy too?
Did >>I<< say this was an RVS question? No, I didn't. I was pointing out that the only question you asked during the RQS had nothing to do with an RQS question.
MrCelt:
Is that why you chose to question them?
Actually, they both appeared to be active when I asked them.
...Did you really just directly contradict your earlier statement that you asked them for the directly opposite reason (that they are inactive)? Why are you summoning up excuses?
He didn't contradict himself, but I think you know that since you didn't include his earlier quote. You sure are trying to get the attention off of you any way possible but actually voting!
Leafsnail@Dariush:
The difference is taking robust accusations and questions that seem related to people's alignments. And the anger seems directed at hunting, which is a change from the "I'm not angry until someone accuses me" or the "GRR I'M ANGRY FOR NO REASON AND AT NOTHING IN PARTICULAR" I associate with scum-Dariush.
There is bussing, but using mislynching strategies against your own buddies defeats the purpose of it. I have examined the possibility of UI being town and it doesn't square with the scumhunting technique he laid out. Also if UI is trying to bus then he is a mafia member who needs to die anyway, so I have no problem voting him.
I am leery of your defending Dariush. The only thing "directed at hunting" That he has done is vote for MrCelt. First it was Tiruin because he didn't contribute much to RVS. Then Toaster for deflecting attention away from his lurking. And then it was Dariush for MrCelt having contradicted himself. Which he didn't.
You laud the efforts of Dariush's scumhunting when he doesn't have any, but then you say that you are suspicious of the technique that UI laid out, which is none. He said he randomly chooses and pressures someone, but he also said that he didn't do that this time because something else looked suspicious! Funny, he didn't mention what though.
@Leafsnail general:
That's some singular focus on Leafsnail, however there is one point I do like:
It's never too early to set up a mislynch on Dariush.
What makes you think it'd be a mislynch?
As for your second question, firstly this is the most townie I've ever seen Dariush play. Secondly your explanation for your Dariush vote is a strategy for mislynching people (which works especially well on Dariush because Dariush acts scummy as hell once you get him angry), not a strategy for identifying scum. This implies Dariush is town because mafia members don't usually try to mislynch their buddies.
This is just making up bullshit to cover up a possible slip. Leafsnail. I don't see why you'd have to respond that much if you're town.
Still at Leafsnail: I agree with ToonyMan. Leafsnail slipped that he thinks Dariush is 100% town. Instead offering an explanation of your slip(like saying mislynch is a term for an uneducated lynching, not just a wrongful lynching), you reinforced it with a weak argument. One that I personally don't buy into, and one that Dariush himself is even weirded out by. "Uh... Thanks, I guess?"
Urist Imiknorris:
What was suspicious that drew your attention away from pressuring Dariush?
indirected:
Sorry I haven't posted! Not only did I have Thanksgiving but my daughter's first birthday part was this weekend! Phew!
This is something I'd like to add to bookthras and leafsnail's conversation awhile back. I think "mislynch" could be defined as a lynch that happened without enough suspicion/evidence, whether the lynched was mafia or town. Although I do find it wildly interesting that Leafsnail said in such a hip-fired way.
We're probably out of RVS by now, but
Urist Imiknorris, let's say you are a townsperson in a game with ten town and five mafia. Someone points out that the well-known poster JeffereyJenkins is lurking! He doesn't have any other posts on the forum, and you guys have been going around in circles for two day-extensions. Suddenly, everyone is jumping on the "hammer the lurker!" bus. What can you deduce about the person who started the bus?
Also, what happens in a vote tie? no lynch or double lynch?