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[Mura]

Thank you for the offer, but it's mostly just saying one thing over and over: tissue layers not found. I already have [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN] files for the creature, and they contain tissues and tissue layers, and the creature file references them, but something isn't clicking.

[Lycaeon]

Here's the short summary on how creatures are constructed:

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b_detail_plan: Contains shortcuts for the designation of materials and tissues used in a creature, as well as layering for those tissues.

     STANDARD_MATERIALS defines material templates to be attached to the tag (such as HEART or MUSCLE). Material templates are found in material_template_default
     STANDARD_TISSUES defines the tissue for that material, also attached to the tag. Tissues are found in tissue_template_default.
     TISSUE_LAYERS defines the layering of these tissues for each bodypart, with ARG1-5 defined in creature (usually SKIN, FAT, MUSCLE, BONE and CARTILAGE)
         First a bodypart is defined by category (Each bodypart has a category in body_default), then the layers are defined from inward to outward, each with their   
         relative thickness. For example, [BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:LEG_LOWER:ARG4:3:ARG1:1] defines LEG_LOWER bodyparts as (in to out) bone:3x, skin:1x (This
         being for a modded creature...normal creatures have more layers). ARG can be replaced by the tags mentioned above as appropriate (ex: eye uses the EYE tag)

body_default: Defines bodyparts that will go together to make the creature. They are put together in the creature itself under the BODY tag.

A creature has each of these defined sequentially...for example, an ordinary creature would have:
   [BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:etc...] Chooses the bodyparts to be used.
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS] (Taken from b_detail_plan) Defines the materials for that creature.
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]    (Taken from b_detail_plan) Defines the tissues for that creature.
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE] (Taken from b_detail_plan, using the tags defined previously)

I recommend using the templates found in body_robot and body_detail_plan_robot, as they already reference the necessary tissues, and are somewhat different from the ones used by ordinary creatures. Looking at the various robots should give you a good idea on how these templates are put together.

[Mura]

I figured some of that out already, but your post helped me realize what was going wrong. Thank you- that kind of information is hard to find, even on the wiki.

So, I no longer get literally fifty error messages on loading the creature in the arena. Phew. Now I just need to, you know, make sure the syndrome actually works, and then the polished raws can be posted.

[Putnam]

I figured some of that out already, but your post helped me realize what was going wrong. Thank you- that kind of information is hard to find, even on the wiki.

i'd better fix that, then

[Lycaeon]

Good luck! Also be aware that robots don't have a MATERIALS template, as their materials are defined in the tissues in tissue_template_robot.

[Treason]

I know it's been pointed out, but I feel compelled to underline the point again:

BBs suck.  They're not even decent against unarmored, relatively weak animals.  In the ammo menu, disable BBs for hunters and give them small caliber or even medium if your swimming in the stuff.  Removing the hunting labor from the pony you want to hunt will have them drop the BB gun, then re-enabling will cause them to grab up an appropriate weapon.

[Maklak]

> In the ammo menu, disable BBs for hunters and give them small caliber or even medium.
Really? In my experience they still had BBs, but picked the wrong kind of ammo for them and sucked even deeper. Can someone else confirm this?

Not that hunting in this mod is a good idea anyway, even with rifles. The wildlife just rages and charges the gunners.

[Replica]

I know it's been pointed out, but I feel compelled to underline the point again:

BBs suck.  They're not even decent against unarmored, relatively weak animals.  In the ammo menu, disable BBs for hunters and give them small caliber or even medium if your swimming in the stuff.  Removing the hunting labor from the pony you want to hunt will have them drop the BB gun, then re-enabling will cause them to grab up an appropriate weapon.

Really?
Does this work?

Because this changes everything for hunting in non-ghoulish biomes.

[Treason]

I know it's been pointed out, but I feel compelled to underline the point again:

BBs suck.  They're not even decent against unarmored, relatively weak animals.  In the ammo menu, disable BBs for hunters and give them small caliber or even medium if your swimming in the stuff.  Removing the hunting labor from the pony you want to hunt will have them drop the BB gun, then re-enabling will cause them to grab up an appropriate weapon.

Really?
Does this work?

Because this changes everything for hunting in non-ghoulish biomes.

Disabling BBs in the ammo menu and replacing it with small or medium caliber will cause your hunters to drop the BBs in their quiver (eventually) and seek out said ammo.

They will not be able to use it, as they still insist on making use of the weapon they're holding (i.e. BB guns).

Disable hunting from said hunter in their labor preferences.  They will drop their quiver of ammo and the BB gun.  Remember to forbid any BB guns to prevent their use.

Re-Enable Hunting after they've dumped the useless stuff.  If you have set them to make use of the other ammo in the ammo menu, they will grab a quiver, attempt to fill it with small/medium/whatever and then seek out an appropriate weapon that makes use of said ammo.

You will then have a hunter hunting with a bit more power behind them.  As was pointed out, though, the wildlife is still deadly but I've had a hunter I nurtured up to Great skill manage to regularly hunt down large radscorpions with a steel combat rifle and medium caliber ammo.

Too bad I had to abandon the fort.  My arch-nemesis showed up (Random Forgotten beast made of insane material and using deadly dust) and wiped my Stable..again...

[Iceblaster]

I am back from my exodus to Space Station 13 and now Im back... Hmmm yes no Megaspell... Oh yay I get my ebola shooting laser turrets sooner or later... AWESOME BODY MAKING TUTORIAL...*Iceblaster.exe has stopped functioning. Searching for solution*

[Lycaeon]

> BB rifles
I plan to introduce a stronger air rifle in the next version.

> Replacing ammo
This is valuable advice…I’ve attached in the Gameplay Hints and Tips in the first post. Thanks!

On an side-note, brisineo’s put up another awesome terminal background, this one for the Ministry of Peace.

[Iceblaster]

Cool, hope the author feels great that his work is being sponsored on this forum.

[Replica]

I know it's been pointed out, but I feel compelled to underline the point again:

BBs suck.  They're not even decent against unarmored, relatively weak animals.  In the ammo menu, disable BBs for hunters and give them small caliber or even medium if your swimming in the stuff.  Removing the hunting labor from the pony you want to hunt will have them drop the BB gun, then re-enabling will cause them to grab up an appropriate weapon.

Really?
Does this work?

Because this changes everything for hunting in non-ghoulish biomes.

Disabling BBs in the ammo menu and replacing it with small or medium caliber will cause your hunters to drop the BBs in their quiver (eventually) and seek out said ammo.

They will not be able to use it, as they still insist on making use of the weapon they're holding (i.e. BB guns).

Disable hunting from said hunter in their labor preferences.  They will drop their quiver of ammo and the BB gun.  Remember to forbid any BB guns to prevent their use.

Re-Enable Hunting after they've dumped the useless stuff.  If you have set them to make use of the other ammo in the ammo menu, they will grab a quiver, attempt to fill it with small/medium/whatever and then seek out an appropriate weapon that makes use of said ammo.

You will then have a hunter hunting with a bit more power behind them.  As was pointed out, though, the wildlife is still deadly but I've had a hunter I nurtured up to Great skill manage to regularly hunt down large radscorpions with a steel combat rifle and medium caliber ammo.

Good damned advice, gotta make sure to try that out properly sometime.

[Lycaeon]

I've received permission, Iceblaster. If there's one thing that astounds me about the pony fandom, and the FoE fandom in particular, it's all the works of art they produce on a near-constant basis.

On that note, the next update will arrive in around a a week and a half. I feel we've stamped out enough bugs and other issues to finally move the mod out of the beta stage, though I'm still uncertain about Unity invasions and other late-game events (I'm hoping to get a chance to play a long-term Stable myself sometime in the next week). Your suggestions are very much welcome in the meantime!

I also discovered that flamethrowers have reverted to setting grass back on fire, despite the raws, so I'll remove flame weapons from the Steel Rangers permanently.

[gzoker]

The wasteland should have fireproof grass  ,wait if you could mod that then we could have all the rockets and flamethrowers that we want.