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[gman8181]

Seriously we must convert Alice, use whatever gift you wish, but we must convert her. She asked us to do that
If you want you may bring her in secure room with us and mermaid and have jointed prayer to Nightclaw, Let's show both of possible first female night trolls and let the goddess choose

That sounds good.

Thirded.

Although implied earlier, officially thirded.

Wouldn't the god(ess?) just pick the mermaid because the mermaid is a devout follower?  Still might be a good idea to ask though.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Seriously we must convert Alice, use whatever gift you wish, but we must convert her. She asked us to do that
If you want you may bring her in secure room with us and mermaid and have jointed prayer to Nightclaw, Let's show both of possible first female night trolls and let the goddess choose

That sounds good.

Thirded.

Although implied earlier, officially thirded.

Wouldn't the god(ess?) just pick the mermaid because the mermaid is a devout follower?  Still might be a good idea to ask though.

The god/dess would choose who she thinks is best. And even so, if Nocteclaw wants us to use the gift on the mermaid...is this such a bad thing?

[StrawBarrel]

Ok, here is my piece/list on why Alice should not be converted. It’s in a spoiler so you don’t have such a long page to scroll down.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Alice should not be converted because of these three ideas: friendship, morals, and health of our character.
Friendship:
-At the begin of the story, Alice was one of our character’s first friends, after Foghorn and Esmeralda.
-During this time, we had fun and gained her trust.
-After getting in an argument with her father, Alice was hooked up to a magic torture device as a punishment because of her insisting that she hangs out with us. Even after that ordeal, she comes back to help us with whatever we need.
-Even after the epic roll, which made Foghorn go on a rage and tell us to convert Alice, Alice stayed even though she could have very well just escape of into the woods. She did not.
-She stayed with us even though, she was afraid of Gwen.
-Alice fought valiantly with us in battle. In the raid of Everpine, she played the important roll of fighting and distracting the guards so that Gwen and our character could eat and spread terror. What does she have to gain out of this? Not much, she is just a loyal friend and comrade helping her brothers in arms.
-In the barn showdown, Alice fought with valor as the Posse attacked. Even after being wounded, she continued to fight against elves charging down towards us. She put us over herself. Why? Other than being an amazing friend, it may be a dark tale; she wanted to die.

This was taken from Weirdsound:
"Look. I find your chivalry and friendship amazing, but I think you need to turn me. Especially if you intend to take more consorts. I have to sleep with one eye open with Gwendolyn around, and if you just keep getting more consorts one of them will eventually suffer a lapse in judgment and eat me as a snack. Remaining human is good. Remaining alive is better."

You blink. Are you sure? Thats a big descis..."

Alice starts to sniffle. "Of course I'm not sure... I understand its going to suck. I don't want this to happen... But I don't want to die. And I don't want my good friend to pick a fight with my father on my behalf."

You start to explain your gifts to her, but she cuts you off, explaining that she doesn't want to think about it and that she trusts your judgement in making the decision for her. "If you need time to think about, I could go spend some time in the wilderness. I don't think it would be safe for me to sleep in the tower, but hey, there are no Boogeymen around these parts and I love the great outdoors. I'll check in every few days to see if you have made up your mind... I just wish there was some way I could pay off my debt to you, remain human, and remain safe."

"Thats assuming you live through today."You say with a smile, hoping to difuse the situation. She laughs a bit.

If I die today I'm taking half the population of Everpine with me."
You and Alice then spend some time joking, laughing, and talking politely in elven while Gwendolyn works the prisoners."

From this I see that she wants to remain human. We can do this indeed. Jimea can be told to not attack Alice. Gwen and Alice made up with each other in the same update, this quote was taken from. Finally the thief needs to be told, but we still need to keep an eye on her. We can protect Alice by being by here bedside, while she sleeps (we don’t need sleep for a week or two) and read books and talk to our friends. After a few days, Alice will be able to walk again and hopefully camp out in the woods for a while.
I am willing to lose an ally for a while because of the service and trust she has put into us. She is just a scared 16 year old girl. Being a night troll for eternity or until a violent end. Let grow and think of what she wants in life. If she comes back asking for refugee, we shall let her in because without a doubt, if our character was to fall down into deep decline, Alice would let us into her home.
A long term goal can be getting Rox with Alice.

P.S. Thanks you to anyone who actually read through this suggestion because it is just in fact kind big argument for “goody two shoes”-ness and doing something "morally right".

[GreatWyrmGold]

Ok, here is my piece/list on why Alice should not be converted. It’s in a spoiler so you don’t have such a long page to scroll down.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Alice should not be converted because of these three ideas: friendship, morals, and health of our character.
Friendship:
-At the begin of the story, Alice was one of our character’s first friends, after Foghorn and Esmeralda.
-During this time, we had fun and gained her trust.
-After getting in an argument with her father, Alice was hooked up to a magic torture device as a punishment because of her insisting that she hangs out with us. Even after that ordeal, she comes back to help us with whatever we need.
-Even after the epic roll, which made Foghorn go on a rage and tell us to convert Alice, Alice stayed even though she could have very well just escape of into the woods. She did not.
-She stayed with us even though, she was afraid of Gwen.
-Alice fought valiantly with us in battle. In the raid of Everpine, she played the important roll of fighting and distracting the guards so that Gwen and our character could eat and spread terror. What does she have to gain out of this? Not much, she is just a loyal friend and comrade helping her brothers in arms.
-In the barn showdown, Alice fought with valor as the Posse attacked. Even after being wounded, she continued to fight against elves charging down towards us. She put us over herself. Why? Other than being an amazing friend, it may be a dark tale; she wanted to die.

This was taken from Weirdsound:
"Look. I find your chivalry and friendship amazing, but I think you need to turn me. Especially if you intend to take more consorts. I have to sleep with one eye open with Gwendolyn around, and if you just keep getting more consorts one of them will eventually suffer a lapse in judgment and eat me as a snack. Remaining human is good. Remaining alive is better."

You blink. Are you sure? Thats a big descis..."

Alice starts to sniffle. "Of course I'm not sure... I understand its going to suck. I don't want this to happen... But I don't want to die. And I don't want my good friend to pick a fight with my father on my behalf."

You start to explain your gifts to her, but she cuts you off, explaining that she doesn't want to think about it and that she trusts your judgement in making the decision for her. "If you need time to think about, I could go spend some time in the wilderness. I don't think it would be safe for me to sleep in the tower, but hey, there are no Boogeymen around these parts and I love the great outdoors. I'll check in every few days to see if you have made up your mind... I just wish there was some way I could pay off my debt to you, remain human, and remain safe."

"Thats assuming you live through today."You say with a smile, hoping to difuse the situation. She laughs a bit.

If I die today I'm taking half the population of Everpine with me."
You and Alice then spend some time joking, laughing, and talking politely in elven while Gwendolyn works the prisoners."

From this I see that she wants to remain human. We can do this indeed. Jimea can be told to not attack Alice. Gwen and Alice made up with each other in the same update, this quote was taken from. Finally the thief needs to be told, but we still need to keep an eye on her. We can protect Alice by being by here bedside, while she sleeps (we don’t need sleep for a week or two) and read books and talk to our friends. After a few days, Alice will be able to walk again and hopefully camp out in the woods for a while.
I am willing to lose an ally for a while because of the service and trust she has put into us. She is just a scared 16 year old girl. Being a night troll for eternity or until a violent end. Let grow and think of what she wants in life. If she comes back asking for refugee, we shall let her in because without a doubt, if our character was to fall down into deep decline, Alice would let us into her home.
A long term goal can be getting Rox with Alice.

P.S. Thanks you to anyone who actually read through this suggestion because it is just in fact kind big argument for “goody two shoes”-ness and doing something "morally right".

Reasons Alice should be converted:
Alice asked to be converted.
Foghorn asked for her to be converted.
The other three consorts will likely harm her greatly if we don't.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

StrawBarrel, your problem is that you use human morals, but  from night's troll point of view upgrading Alice is an act of friendship even if that is unpleasant

[GreatWyrmGold]

I disagree with both parts of your logic.

We should follow human morals, at least partially, and converting Alice does so.

[Thecard]

Ok, here is my piece/list on why Alice should not be converted. It’s in a spoiler so you don’t have such a long page to scroll down.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Alice should not be converted because of these three ideas: friendship, morals, and health of our character.
Friendship:
-At the begin of the story, Alice was one of our character’s first friends, after Foghorn and Esmeralda.
-During this time, we had fun and gained her trust.
-After getting in an argument with her father, Alice was hooked up to a magic torture device as a punishment because of her insisting that she hangs out with us. Even after that ordeal, she comes back to help us with whatever we need.
-Even after the epic roll, which made Foghorn go on a rage and tell us to convert Alice, Alice stayed even though she could have very well just escape of into the woods. She did not.
-She stayed with us even though, she was afraid of Gwen.
-Alice fought valiantly with us in battle. In the raid of Everpine, she played the important roll of fighting and distracting the guards so that Gwen and our character could eat and spread terror. What does she have to gain out of this? Not much, she is just a loyal friend and comrade helping her brothers in arms.
-In the barn showdown, Alice fought with valor as the Posse attacked. Even after being wounded, she continued to fight against elves charging down towards us. She put us over herself. Why? Other than being an amazing friend, it may be a dark tale; she wanted to die.

This was taken from Weirdsound:
"Look. I find your chivalry and friendship amazing, but I think you need to turn me. Especially if you intend to take more consorts. I have to sleep with one eye open with Gwendolyn around, and if you just keep getting more consorts one of them will eventually suffer a lapse in judgment and eat me as a snack. Remaining human is good. Remaining alive is better."

You blink. Are you sure? Thats a big descis..."

Alice starts to sniffle. "Of course I'm not sure... I understand its going to suck. I don't want this to happen... But I don't want to die. And I don't want my good friend to pick a fight with my father on my behalf."

You start to explain your gifts to her, but she cuts you off, explaining that she doesn't want to think about it and that she trusts your judgement in making the decision for her. "If you need time to think about, I could go spend some time in the wilderness. I don't think it would be safe for me to sleep in the tower, but hey, there are no Boogeymen around these parts and I love the great outdoors. I'll check in every few days to see if you have made up your mind... I just wish there was some way I could pay off my debt to you, remain human, and remain safe."

"Thats assuming you live through today."You say with a smile, hoping to difuse the situation. She laughs a bit.

If I die today I'm taking half the population of Everpine with me."
You and Alice then spend some time joking, laughing, and talking politely in elven while Gwendolyn works the prisoners."

From this I see that she wants to remain human. We can do this indeed. Jimea can be told to not attack Alice. Gwen and Alice made up with each other in the same update, this quote was taken from. Finally the thief needs to be told, but we still need to keep an eye on her. We can protect Alice by being by here bedside, while she sleeps (we don’t need sleep for a week or two) and read books and talk to our friends. After a few days, Alice will be able to walk again and hopefully camp out in the woods for a while.
I am willing to lose an ally for a while because of the service and trust she has put into us. She is just a scared 16 year old girl. Being a night troll for eternity or until a violent end. Let grow and think of what she wants in life. If she comes back asking for refugee, we shall let her in because without a doubt, if our character was to fall down into deep decline, Alice would let us into her home.
A long term goal can be getting Rox with Alice.

P.S. Thanks you to anyone who actually read through this suggestion because it is just in fact kind big argument for “goody two shoes”-ness and doing something "morally right".

Reasons Alice should be converted:
Alice asked to be converted.
Foghorn asked for her to be converted.
The other three consorts will likely harm her greatly if we don't.

The sharks are circling...

[Gamerlord]

I'd prefer for Alice to remain human, just from an OOC view. She adds an element of... for want of a better word humanity to the story.

[StrawBarrel]

We do not need to be the "evil" night troll of lore, folk, and myth. Night trolls have feelings just like any other creature in this world (From what I read, Weirdsound has made the world have many aspects). It would be sad to see a friend of our character be sad, I mean she just a kid who has lost her father, much of her family possibly, is despised by many because of here father, and is now for sure has a price on her head, just like us and Gwen.
Brain spark
That is why Alice has stayed with us, she has lost every thing and now trusts us to make the best descision for her. I get it now. (Wow and I am really over thinking how in depth this story is, it's probably a lot simplier than this.) I just this looking after her until she is better is just the solution that is best for her. Converrting in one way, but to me taking thw way I describe is the best way for her to live.
I hope I am not creating a debate of doom, like the last time. I presented my thoughts and I will now just have to see what happens. 

[Ukrainian Ranger]

No, I don't want to play evil, I want to play another set of morals.
If Alice lost the meaning of life, let's give her another

I am looking forward for her chat with Nocteclaw, Goddess may like a lesbian due to her own nature and may appreciate her friendship with her last child (bad things may happen too, but that will be fuuuun bad things)


As for story, I'd really prefer being friendly with humans\dwarves\other races and do elf genocide as an act of revenge

[Thecard]

Y'know, I didn't think we were killing Elves for revenge.  I thought we were killing Elves beause, well, fuck Elves.

[anailater]

That reminds me, we still need to destroy the elves genicide tree, wasn't that part of our "noble" quest.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Again, many practical and moral reasons TO convert Alice.

O thought we were killing elves because they were conveniently close. Maybe it'll improve our relations with dwarves.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

we kill elves because we're predators and they're prey.

Ok, here is my piece/list on why Alice should not be converted. It’s in a spoiler so you don’t have such a long page to scroll down.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Alice should not be converted because of these three ideas: friendship, morals, and health of our character.
Friendship:
-At the begin of the story, Alice was one of our character’s first friends, after Foghorn and Esmeralda.
-During this time, we had fun and gained her trust.
-After getting in an argument with her father, Alice was hooked up to a magic torture device as a punishment because of her insisting that she hangs out with us. Even after that ordeal, she comes back to help us with whatever we need.
-Even after the epic roll, which made Foghorn go on a rage and tell us to convert Alice, Alice stayed even though she could have very well just escape of into the woods. She did not.
-She stayed with us even though, she was afraid of Gwen.
-Alice fought valiantly with us in battle. In the raid of Everpine, she played the important roll of fighting and distracting the guards so that Gwen and our character could eat and spread terror. What does she have to gain out of this? Not much, she is just a loyal friend and comrade helping her brothers in arms.
-In the barn showdown, Alice fought with valor as the Posse attacked. Even after being wounded, she continued to fight against elves charging down towards us. She put us over herself. Why? Other than being an amazing friend, it may be a dark tale; she wanted to die.

This was taken from Weirdsound:
"Look. I find your chivalry and friendship amazing, but I think you need to turn me. Especially if you intend to take more consorts. I have to sleep with one eye open with Gwendolyn around, and if you just keep getting more consorts one of them will eventually suffer a lapse in judgment and eat me as a snack. Remaining human is good. Remaining alive is better."

You blink. Are you sure? Thats a big descis..."

Alice starts to sniffle. "Of course I'm not sure... I understand its going to suck. I don't want this to happen... But I don't want to die. And I don't want my good friend to pick a fight with my father on my behalf."

You start to explain your gifts to her, but she cuts you off, explaining that she doesn't want to think about it and that she trusts your judgement in making the decision for her. "If you need time to think about, I could go spend some time in the wilderness. I don't think it would be safe for me to sleep in the tower, but hey, there are no Boogeymen around these parts and I love the great outdoors. I'll check in every few days to see if you have made up your mind... I just wish there was some way I could pay off my debt to you, remain human, and remain safe."

"Thats assuming you live through today."You say with a smile, hoping to difuse the situation. She laughs a bit.

If I die today I'm taking half the population of Everpine with me."
You and Alice then spend some time joking, laughing, and talking politely in elven while Gwendolyn works the prisoners."

From this I see that she wants to remain human. We can do this indeed. Jimea can be told to not attack Alice. Gwen and Alice made up with each other in the same update, this quote was taken from. Finally the thief needs to be told, but we still need to keep an eye on her. We can protect Alice by being by here bedside, while she sleeps (we don’t need sleep for a week or two) and read books and talk to our friends. After a few days, Alice will be able to walk again and hopefully camp out in the woods for a while.
I am willing to lose an ally for a while because of the service and trust she has put into us. She is just a scared 16 year old girl. Being a night troll for eternity or until a violent end. Let grow and think of what she wants in life. If she comes back asking for refugee, we shall let her in because without a doubt, if our character was to fall down into deep decline, Alice would let us into her home.
A long term goal can be getting Rox with Alice.

P.S. Thanks you to anyone who actually read through this suggestion because it is just in fact kind big argument for “goody two shoes”-ness and doing something "morally right".

i agree with this. i think we should try to keep her alive until she fully heals, and then let her go on a quest of her own... a quest for true love. gwen and alice get along well enough now, and our new consorts are firmly under our influence, so i don't think she's in much danger for the foreseeable future, and i think her humanity and her forbidden love story keeps the story a lot more interesting

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Gwen may like Alice and eat her out of instincts... And the rogue doesn't respect us at all

And we aren't in position to wage war with Foghorn, let's not force our character to do something suicidal and illogical roleplay-wise

And story of Alice as night troll would be fun, too