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Dremire

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Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« on: November 07, 2012, 04:54:14 pm »

My idea is that building legendary dormitory might be faster than individual bedrooms and, hopefully, keep my dwarfs happier, since "royal bedrooms for everyone" is unlikely to happen in my fortress.
I read wiki about keeping dorfs happy, but there where no specific numbers to prove dormitory considerably worse.

Like to hear your opinions/experiences.
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 05:05:04 pm »

In proper bedrooms they get a good thought from sleeping in their own quarters. Look it up, it's on the wiki.
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 05:20:01 pm »

Also, proper bedroom allows dwarves to admire personal furniture, which is another source of happy thoughts.
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 05:28:40 pm »

Point is: either good dorm or bad rooms. There are more important projects than proper rooms for each migrant wave. So as long as they don't tantrum it's fine.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 05:44:35 pm »

I don't think the quality of the dorms has any positive effect on the dwarves that sleep there. AFAIK dorms only serve to alleviate negative thoughts from sleeping on the ground/in the rain. If you want them to have happy thoughts related to their sleeping quarters you need to assign them individual bedrooms (I doubt they actually have to be separate rooms, just designated from separate beds and assigned to specific dwarves).

There was a thread about it recently
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 06:31:26 pm »

Derp. Still, i'll give it a try and see how unhappy my dwarfs become. And i will mark a hospital zone there, what could possibly go wrong?
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 06:40:27 pm »

(I doubt they actually have to be separate rooms, just designated from separate beds and assigned to specific dwarves).
You just need to designate the bed as a bedroom. Dwarves will claim bedrooms themselves as necessary. Assignment is only necessary for nobles, and may be desireable for full-time military.
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 06:54:43 pm »

I like the dormitory approach, it especially helps reduce the need for wood in treeless embarks.  It's also much easier than making space for all those rooms, making sure that travel distances aren't too long, designating them all....

That being said, bedrooms have the edge over a dormitory.  From what I've seen, dormitories don't give happy thoughts no matter how fancy it is (and I've had some really decked out dorms).  Sleeping in their own bedroom, will give happy thoughts, even if that bedroom is no more than one tile with a bed.  Walls, doors, other furniture, and engravings aren't necessary.  Besides, if peasants have rooms fancier than their means, the nobles get pissy.

The only advantage dormitories have over bedrooms is that they require fewer beds, and therefore wood.
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 08:35:06 pm »

You just need to designate the bed as a bedroom. Dwarves will claim bedrooms themselves as necessary. Assignment is only necessary for nobles, and may be desireable for full-time military.
Thank you for explaining that, I hadn't caught that distinction and it makes things *way* easier!
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 02:50:44 am »

I'm considering the individual bedrooms set inside dorms.

Don't designate them as dorms, justset banks of wall-free bedrooms.  The overlapping tiles might mess with owned furniture, but they all get the value of everything, even overlapping tiles.

I'm really onto engraved 2x3 rooms.  The dwarves love em.
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2012, 05:32:10 am »

For the OP, dorm only stops unhappy thought of sleeping on rough floor ( which hunters will get anyway ). Personal bedrooms, even crappy ones, gives more happy thoughts for them having their own rooms. Even if it's just a single bed!

I tend to use dorm for long time because I get distracted setting up other things, I does tries to get bedroom for everyone, even no quality bedroom with only bed tile in room full of beds.

I'm considering the individual bedrooms set inside dorms.

Don't designate them as dorms, justset banks of wall-free bedrooms.  The overlapping tiles might mess with owned furniture, but they all get the value of everything, even overlapping tiles.

I'm really onto engraved 2x3 rooms.  The dwarves love em.

Done overlapping bedrooms a lot, it's a lot more economical and higher density than other alternatives. It does have cabinets acting oddly, but I think that's more dwarven confusion than anything :D

Value is reduced, but if you have more than 4 bedrooms overlapping, it's still worth it!
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 05:35:57 am »

but they all get the value of everything, even overlapping tiles.

ain't overlapped tile value divided between rooms?
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2012, 05:37:08 am »

but they all get the value of everything, even overlapping tiles.

ain't overlapped tile value divided between rooms?

IIRC reduced by 1/4, but it's still better than dorm for personal bedrooms. Might've been changed to equal split, but I've not tested lately. It's particularly good for artifacts, too, if you have it enabled!
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2012, 08:52:09 am »

Look up the design in the wiki for high density, single floor housing. Three by one rooms can be designated, dug, smoothed, and furnished with surprising speed. Split your masonry and mining corps so furniture production and tunneling can happen in parralell and you'll have hundreds of rooms of adequate quality before you know it.
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Re: Legendary dormitory vs ok bedrooms
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2012, 08:55:54 am »

Dorms are a lot safer when vampires show up.
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