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[Virtz]

*snip*

Why does anyone ever make an engine instead of using a readily available one? Cause the existing ones might not suit their needs or they might feel they can make an engine that looks or performs better. A lot of the best games had an engine tailored to them. Not to mention the flaws inherent in a lot of existing engines. Also, you immediately assume the physics are a bad idea since everyone else does the opposite for performance reasons without considering that maybe this guy made it in a way that performs well. It's like looking at Doom 3 when it was first shown and immediately saying "Well, nobody else uses pixel shading cause of performance, idiot!". You're immediately assuming it runs bad when it wouldn't make sense to use it if it did. Like this guy might be out of his mind and it actually runs terrible on anything other than a monster machine, but why immediately assume that?

And you call the animations "shit". Have you looked at the animations in the average Action RPG these days? Character stances here leave much to be desired, but to me this is already leagues ahead of all the games where people just dispationately twack each other over their heads with 1-4 very rigid attack animations.

Also, this is called "Kickstarter". Not "Help polish a nearly ready product in exchange for a copy". There's been projects that started off with nothing but vague descriptions and maybe some names behind them. Things in this may and hopefully will be improved. Not everything has to be an FTL.

I'd concur that the story doesn't sound very promising at all, though.

You need to stop confusing the elements that make up gameplay with gameplay itself. There is taking a risk on a game that seems amazing but may not be... and then there is jumping ontop of a game because it features an element.

The physics in this look as essential an element to the overall gameplay as does the animation technology in Die by the Sword. Like how can you not see how an element that changes the fundamental way combat works influences an Action RPG?

[Squanto]

Guys, I wouldn't worry about performance much, seeing as:

Hi,

Actually optimisation was a huge part of the development process and at the core of the engine design, not an afterthought. It's what makes much of what we are doing possible. We've also achieved better results than expected.

 The engine is OpenGL based and hugely scalable. You need a reasonable graphics card, we don't expect it to run well on Intel integrateds or the lowest end cards, but it doesn't need to particularly recent. The CPU and ram requirements are also extremely moderate.

 I will quote part of what I posted on Rock Paper Shotgun:

 "The videos are recorded in real time on an off the shelf mid-range computer. To compensate for the video’s horrible 30 fps we have the engine render each frame 8 times for smoother motion (yes, in real time). This is a feature available also in game. The computer doesn’t have fast storage (just a regular HDD) so we have to compress the video in real time which is a huge load on the system. Bottom line, it’s fast, really fast. In the videos I personally play one character and the other is AI controlled, all in real time while recording the video at effectively 240 fps."

 Our character physics and animation system are also very efficient and we can have plenty of characters on screen.

 We want to support both Mac and Linux with native clients. With Mac this should be trivial, we have less direct experience with Linux so we're not being particularly official about it yet.

 I don't see a touchpad as being the most suitable input method for much of our combat but perhaps someone who is used to it could fair well. Typically only small movements of the cursor are required. Perhaps something could be done to improve controls for such devices.

Taken from their forums

EDIT: Actually, I'll just use this post as a massive dump of madoc's replies to questions on their forum since they have quite a bit of interesting/clarifying information.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We are not doing a typical quest with reward system but being hired to perform tasks will certainly be there. I will give an example of what might transpire in the game.

 You are offered a valuable object to complete some task. This could be a lie, it could be a way to lure you into a trap and rob you, for example. If the reward does exist, you might decide to find out where the person offering it lives and look for it in their house rather than completing the task. You may get caught doing this, or you may even be hired by the same person to retrieve the stolen item. And so on and so forth.

 The world will feature something similar to a feudal society. There are races besides humans but they are dramatically different from humans, in conventional terms more monsters than races. There are no warring factions as such but there is a major ongoing conflict.

 Fighting multiple opponents will not be so uncommon and knockdowns are not quite as frequent or dangerous as you might think in most fights. When fighting something like the large ogre you might want some help, though once you have built up your character's powers you may be able to accomplish a lot alone.

 As a side note our character physics are advanced but they are also very performance efficient. There will be plenty of characters.

Hello,

There is fair bit we haven't shown because it's simply not in a presentable form yet. There is also a huge volume of cool technology in our tools that could only really be appreciated by developers and we're unlikely to disclose much about it.

The animation system is really quite unique and uses a number of techniques, much of it has more in common with robotics technology than games. It features many dynamic behaviours that are not animations. The physics system behind it is significantly more evolved than typical ragdoll physics. There certainly is no blend between modes, all character motions are driven by physics 100% of the time.

There will be a great many unique non player characters in the world and some of them may choose to follow you. Whether they become friends or enemies or are simply indifferent is completely circumstantial, there may however be some predisposed for this role. The game is not specifically designed to have a persistent party of companions. If they perish they will not return to life, or at least not as they were. Ultimately no character (or creature) is special, all are subject to the same rules and the physical laws of the universe.

Hi Humblerbee,

 As we've said before if the resources are available to us we will hire a writer, though to be honest this would be largely with the aim of alleviating the workload than to actually improve the quality of the writing, to meet the standards that we hold that writer would require fairly exceptional talent.

 Yes, the story does at first appear much like generic fantasy, it is what we want people to believe when they begin playing our game. We then want lots of "wait... what?" moments. We are taking many of the elements that are common in fantasy RPGs and giving them a new spin. As is not common in the genre, there is a good, credible explanation to why things are as they are. And I'm already saying too much! You're not really supposed to know this if you want to fully enjoy the game.

Humblerbee, I admire your ability to capture our vision.

Currently we don't have real plans for player crafting beyond perhaps some consumable items. Indeed to include player crafting it would have to be realistic and this may require significant effort and perhaps even a large deviation from the current direction of the game. On the other hand having professional craftsmen within the world produce objects based on player design is something we have explored in much detail.

As a side not we will allow some modification of items both in terms of appearance and function. We'll give more information on this in our upcoming (hopefully soon!) Kickstarter update on equipment.

Madoc

Hi, our idea is to keep the surface world relatively small but densely packed with interesting things. It will certainly not be so large to feature changes in climate and such though we do hope to include a few different styles for the environment such as marshes, wastes, seaside etc. We would also like to introduce seasons with various impacts on the appearance of the world. The game will feature an extensive underworld that we can build on indefinitely and can be explored non linearly, this will feature different themes.

 How much content we can actually feature will depend on many factors, as we've already expressed we would like to continue adding to the game even after it's release.

Hi,
 We intend to take various steps towards improving the quality of animations and dynamic behaviours. Possibly the most significant factor here is that I myself made the animations while developing the system behind them. Though I'm getting better at it, animation is certainly not one of my strongest skills.

 We now have some very user friendly tools for animation design and hiring a professional animator is very high up on our list of priorities. We've already been contacted by animators with impressive resumes that are interested in contributing to our project.

We have often considered non combat skills, at one point we had a much more complex version of our current skill system with many more skills arranged in a tree like structure and with synergies. This was an attempt to balance and render more realistic many things that we consider flawed in traditional approaches to skills. This seemed too complex however and we abandoned it long ago. There are still some utility skills that we are taking into consideration. Especially in a multiplayer context, we see support roles in a party as interesting. If we could we'd make a world where you can do absolutely anything but for now our focus is very much on the adventuring life.

 There will be various things that support stealth gameplay but nothing dedicated in terms of skills. There will certainly be stealth elements to some thaumaturgy. We also want disguises to be functional in the game. You could for example dress as a guard in an attempt infiltrate a fortress.

 We plan to have traps and we have considered a perception skill for spotting them and other hidden things but we very much like the idea of players having to notice these things themselves. As for laying your own traps this is something we've talked about but we don't have specific plans for it yet, much of what we discussed would be fairly complex to implement.

Ours is at heart a low fantasy world. Other races are nothing like humans, they have drastically different intelligences and psychologies. Non human races with societies similar to that of humans don't fit in with our world design. That said our universe does potentially support it.

 We have considered making at least one other race playable but adding enough depth to this to make it viable would be a lot of work. If we didn't put a lot of care into it it would just be silly.

 Thaumaturgy is very much an aspect of the human mind and this is an important element of the "lore". That said this doesn't mean other races might not have some other form of it. Don't expect "ogre mages" or anything like that though.

 Other races may indeed use some tools and they will be able to communicate amongst eachother.

 The core of the story is the very thing we want to hide. That's where you have to try to get to using your wits and reasoning.

We will eventually go into this in more detail but for now I'll make a quick list of the things that will definitely not be implemented. We could later break this down into definitely, if we can, no way lists. A surprising amount of suggestions currently fall very neatly into the definitely category and are exactly in line with what is already planned for the game.

 Things you will NOT see in our game:

 -50+ player support. We really don't think this is feasable for performance reasons. Players are naughty.
 -First person viewpoint. Isometric views have their merits too. This is an isometric game.

Hi,

 Yeah, our game revolves around the adventuring life, you will have plenty of freedom but the context is essentially limited to that. Our general idea is that we want to avoid anything schematic and make this almost more a simulation than a game. Making this role subset realistic is already a lot of work, making any role realistic is just too much work. It would be great to make a realistic simulated world where you can do absolutely anything and maybe with time we can take more steps in that direction but for now we have to be realistic about what we can actually deliver.

 We have considered game modes where you are not a thaumaturge and we think this could be an interesting alternative experience. I don't remember where exactly I made that statement about killing "Porky" but I believe what I said is that you may need thaumaturgy or perhaps some help (as in from other characters). We intend many encounters in the game to be optional and extremely difficult to beat. Making a poweful character, multiplayer or getting some help from NPCs should be things you do in order to accomplish some really difficult things. Porky doesn't represent the hardest opponent you may face by any means, it is possible to beat him as is though you need a little luck and we believe shields may go a long way to making this easier. Note that shields have an entire skill dedicated to them and you will have few precious skills.

 Thaumaturgy does not make you an offensive caster, it has many possible uses such as bolstering your abilities in combat. A character that specialises in thaumaturgy is in fact an advanced build, you will probably need to start out as more of a warrior and retrain to become a pure thaumaturge gradually once you have become quite powerful. It won't be easy. There are also 3 entire skills dedicated to making thaumaturgy more efficient leaving little or no room for your character to be skilled in anything else.

 With skills we have put much thought into the division of them to make different builds. We have gone over many iterations starting in fact with many more skills and umbrella categories. In all our designs we wanted weapon skills to capture the fact that skill in combat should translate to any weapon. The non rigid division between light and heavy weapons also reinforces this. We do plan to have skill milestones that allow you to further specialise in specific weapon types.

 This is quite a broad topic but hopefully this answers some of your concerns.

DOUBLEEDIT:  Seeing as I backed the 40 euro tier, I will likely do some sort of raffle to give it away here when release is closer.
TRIPLEEDIT:  Looks like this thread is sinking, but doubleposts aren't my type of thing.  Also, added another quote

[Squanto]

Ok forget my feelings about doubleposts this is serious business here:

We will be releasing an update on how you control your character in combat. We will definitely have blood in our game and almost certainly dismemberment. Weapons will get lodged into other characters as well as shields and possibly other things. This should all work very well with our physics!

This game will now officially be the closest thing to a 3D rendered DF-adventuremode that we will likely get within the next 20 years.

[loose nut]

I don't want to see an RPG made with this engine so much as I want to see a Soul Calibur or Bushido Blade.

Then you can make the RPG

[Facekillz058]

Guys, I wouldn't worry about performance much, seeing as:

Hi,

Actually optimisation was a huge part of the development process and at the core of the engine design, not an afterthought. It's what makes much of what we are doing possible. We've also achieved better results than expected.

 The engine is OpenGL based and hugely scalable. You need a reasonable graphics card, we don't expect it to run well on Intel integrateds or the lowest end cards, but it doesn't need to particularly recent. The CPU and ram requirements are also extremely moderate.

 I will quote part of what I posted on Rock Paper Shotgun:

 "The videos are recorded in real time on an off the shelf mid-range computer. To compensate for the video’s horrible 30 fps we have the engine render each frame 8 times for smoother motion (yes, in real time). This is a feature available also in game. The computer doesn’t have fast storage (just a regular HDD) so we have to compress the video in real time which is a huge load on the system. Bottom line, it’s fast, really fast. In the videos I personally play one character and the other is AI controlled, all in real time while recording the video at effectively 240 fps."

 Our character physics and animation system are also very efficient and we can have plenty of characters on screen.

 We want to support both Mac and Linux with native clients. With Mac this should be trivial, we have less direct experience with Linux so we're not being particularly official about it yet.

 I don't see a touchpad as being the most suitable input method for much of our combat but perhaps someone who is used to it could fair well. Typically only small movements of the cursor are required. Perhaps something could be done to improve controls for such devices.

Taken from their forums

EDIT: Actually, I'll just use this post as a massive dump of madoc's replies to questions on their forum since they have quite a bit of interesting/clarifying information.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We are not doing a typical quest with reward system but being hired to perform tasks will certainly be there. I will give an example of what might transpire in the game.

 You are offered a valuable object to complete some task. This could be a lie, it could be a way to lure you into a trap and rob you, for example. If the reward does exist, you might decide to find out where the person offering it lives and look for it in their house rather than completing the task. You may get caught doing this, or you may even be hired by the same person to retrieve the stolen item. And so on and so forth.

 The world will feature something similar to a feudal society. There are races besides humans but they are dramatically different from humans, in conventional terms more monsters than races. There are no warring factions as such but there is a major ongoing conflict.

 Fighting multiple opponents will not be so uncommon and knockdowns are not quite as frequent or dangerous as you might think in most fights. When fighting something like the large ogre you might want some help, though once you have built up your character's powers you may be able to accomplish a lot alone.

 As a side note our character physics are advanced but they are also very performance efficient. There will be plenty of characters.

Hello,

There is fair bit we haven't shown because it's simply not in a presentable form yet. There is also a huge volume of cool technology in our tools that could only really be appreciated by developers and we're unlikely to disclose much about it.

The animation system is really quite unique and uses a number of techniques, much of it has more in common with robotics technology than games. It features many dynamic behaviours that are not animations. The physics system behind it is significantly more evolved than typical ragdoll physics. There certainly is no blend between modes, all character motions are driven by physics 100% of the time.

There will be a great many unique non player characters in the world and some of them may choose to follow you. Whether they become friends or enemies or are simply indifferent is completely circumstantial, there may however be some predisposed for this role. The game is not specifically designed to have a persistent party of companions. If they perish they will not return to life, or at least not as they were. Ultimately no character (or creature) is special, all are subject to the same rules and the physical laws of the universe.

Hi Humblerbee,

 As we've said before if the resources are available to us we will hire a writer, though to be honest this would be largely with the aim of alleviating the workload than to actually improve the quality of the writing, to meet the standards that we hold that writer would require fairly exceptional talent.

 Yes, the story does at first appear much like generic fantasy, it is what we want people to believe when they begin playing our game. We then want lots of "wait... what?" moments. We are taking many of the elements that are common in fantasy RPGs and giving them a new spin. As is not common in the genre, there is a good, credible explanation to why things are as they are. And I'm already saying too much! You're not really supposed to know this if you want to fully enjoy the game.

Humblerbee, I admire your ability to capture our vision.

Currently we don't have real plans for player crafting beyond perhaps some consumable items. Indeed to include player crafting it would have to be realistic and this may require significant effort and perhaps even a large deviation from the current direction of the game. On the other hand having professional craftsmen within the world produce objects based on player design is something we have explored in much detail.

As a side not we will allow some modification of items both in terms of appearance and function. We'll give more information on this in our upcoming (hopefully soon!) Kickstarter update on equipment.

Madoc

Hi, our idea is to keep the surface world relatively small but densely packed with interesting things. It will certainly not be so large to feature changes in climate and such though we do hope to include a few different styles for the environment such as marshes, wastes, seaside etc. We would also like to introduce seasons with various impacts on the appearance of the world. The game will feature an extensive underworld that we can build on indefinitely and can be explored non linearly, this will feature different themes.

 How much content we can actually feature will depend on many factors, as we've already expressed we would like to continue adding to the game even after it's release.

Hi,
 We intend to take various steps towards improving the quality of animations and dynamic behaviours. Possibly the most significant factor here is that I myself made the animations while developing the system behind them. Though I'm getting better at it, animation is certainly not one of my strongest skills.

 We now have some very user friendly tools for animation design and hiring a professional animator is very high up on our list of priorities. We've already been contacted by animators with impressive resumes that are interested in contributing to our project.

We have often considered non combat skills, at one point we had a much more complex version of our current skill system with many more skills arranged in a tree like structure and with synergies. This was an attempt to balance and render more realistic many things that we consider flawed in traditional approaches to skills. This seemed too complex however and we abandoned it long ago. There are still some utility skills that we are taking into consideration. Especially in a multiplayer context, we see support roles in a party as interesting. If we could we'd make a world where you can do absolutely anything but for now our focus is very much on the adventuring life.

 There will be various things that support stealth gameplay but nothing dedicated in terms of skills. There will certainly be stealth elements to some thaumaturgy. We also want disguises to be functional in the game. You could for example dress as a guard in an attempt infiltrate a fortress.

 We plan to have traps and we have considered a perception skill for spotting them and other hidden things but we very much like the idea of players having to notice these things themselves. As for laying your own traps this is something we've talked about but we don't have specific plans for it yet, much of what we discussed would be fairly complex to implement.

Ours is at heart a low fantasy world. Other races are nothing like humans, they have drastically different intelligences and psychologies. Non human races with societies similar to that of humans don't fit in with our world design. That said our universe does potentially support it.

 We have considered making at least one other race playable but adding enough depth to this to make it viable would be a lot of work. If we didn't put a lot of care into it it would just be silly.

 Thaumaturgy is very much an aspect of the human mind and this is an important element of the "lore". That said this doesn't mean other races might not have some other form of it. Don't expect "ogre mages" or anything like that though.

 Other races may indeed use some tools and they will be able to communicate amongst eachother.

 The core of the story is the very thing we want to hide. That's where you have to try to get to using your wits and reasoning.

We will eventually go into this in more detail but for now I'll make a quick list of the things that will definitely not be implemented. We could later break this down into definitely, if we can, no way lists. A surprising amount of suggestions currently fall very neatly into the definitely category and are exactly in line with what is already planned for the game.

 Things you will NOT see in our game:

 -50+ player support. We really don't think this is feasable for performance reasons. Players are naughty.
 -First person viewpoint. Isometric views have their merits too. This is an isometric game.

Hi,

 Yeah, our game revolves around the adventuring life, you will have plenty of freedom but the context is essentially limited to that. Our general idea is that we want to avoid anything schematic and make this almost more a simulation than a game. Making this role subset realistic is already a lot of work, making any role realistic is just too much work. It would be great to make a realistic simulated world where you can do absolutely anything and maybe with time we can take more steps in that direction but for now we have to be realistic about what we can actually deliver.

 We have considered game modes where you are not a thaumaturge and we think this could be an interesting alternative experience. I don't remember where exactly I made that statement about killing "Porky" but I believe what I said is that you may need thaumaturgy or perhaps some help (as in from other characters). We intend many encounters in the game to be optional and extremely difficult to beat. Making a poweful character, multiplayer or getting some help from NPCs should be things you do in order to accomplish some really difficult things. Porky doesn't represent the hardest opponent you may face by any means, it is possible to beat him as is though you need a little luck and we believe shields may go a long way to making this easier. Note that shields have an entire skill dedicated to them and you will have few precious skills.

 Thaumaturgy does not make you an offensive caster, it has many possible uses such as bolstering your abilities in combat. A character that specialises in thaumaturgy is in fact an advanced build, you will probably need to start out as more of a warrior and retrain to become a pure thaumaturge gradually once you have become quite powerful. It won't be easy. There are also 3 entire skills dedicated to making thaumaturgy more efficient leaving little or no room for your character to be skilled in anything else.

 With skills we have put much thought into the division of them to make different builds. We have gone over many iterations starting in fact with many more skills and umbrella categories. In all our designs we wanted weapon skills to capture the fact that skill in combat should translate to any weapon. The non rigid division between light and heavy weapons also reinforces this. We do plan to have skill milestones that allow you to further specialise in specific weapon types.

 This is quite a broad topic but hopefully this answers some of your concerns.

DOUBLEEDIT:  Seeing as I backed the 40 euro tier, I will likely do some sort of raffle to give it away here when release is closer.
TRIPLEEDIT:  Looks like this thread is sinking, but doubleposts aren't my type of thing.  Also, added another quote

Oh. My. God.
I want this game so much more than before right now.

[Sunday]

I think this looks awesome.

I'd love it if it was fistfighting-focused, actually, and involved throwing furniture and drunken shenanigans. Imagine a dwarven drunken brawl adventure game.

[Valtam]

It strikes me as weird that a lot of people here (at none other place than Bay 12 Games Forums) disregard Sui Generis in many ways, some of them unexpected or plainly baffling.

When I first saw the trailers and read the (purposely) vague description, I couldn't think of anything other than our own Dwarf Fortress, and saw a few highlights to Toady's own intentions on game making.

Blasphemy! Who the hell are you to say such things?

I can hear those screams rolling on, and that would be reasonable. Sui Generis is not being written as an extensive simulator controlling everything from physics to the barest details of a given creature's brain, but their promises and effort are great starting points. Not only pointing out their (maybe exceeded) hatred for linear stories, their narrative framework is unnervingly similar to DF's adventure mode. "A persistent world, your character might die and it's not overpowered, but he might be able to change stuff, or at least do hilarious things". I have the same feeling whenever I select the region of my adventurer and choose it to be a peasant, a hero or a demigod, all of them mortal and pretty unimportant in the long term.

For sure, I'm certainly omitting something about the world itself, because it's not procedurally generated as our own DF world is, but I think they're pursuing similar goals with a well-crafted world, one that might could be quite large. If one of us has fully explored a 257x257 DF world and found it boring to do (well, at it's entirety) then they have all the rights to feel contempt about the feel and sights of Sui Generis's one, even knowing that there's an entire team that will potentially enlarge, and counting the people who pledged for the world editing features, making sure that the world will be impressive at least.

Where does it say that the camera is just limited to an isometric perspective? There are segments in the pitch where you can see the sky, why would they limit the camera when it works just fine on any other angle? Right, they haven't used any other camera angle on their fighting videos (more on that in a minute), but maybe they're just doing that because of player comfort, though they should showcase their engine's capabilities out of our comfort zone.

As with all the combat and magic complaints, here's a recent video just for the sake of it, uploaded today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaRqih7Cuw&hd=1

Now that's different, they've been hearing all these "drunken brawl" stuff and things seem polished. I'm no PR representative for these guys, nor they're paying me any royalties for this lenghty post, but haven't you feel a bit uncomfortable when you try to convince your friends to play a fresh, outstanding game, and they prefer to stick to all what is safe and sound? Toady has his own model to develop the game that has brought us to this forum, but when all those claims of 'getting 3D', 'having a full team of developers' and all those rambles (that usually appear on the General Discussion subforum) are answered by the promise of Sui Generis, what do we have to say?

Wasn't my intention to preach a lecture about a flawed pre-alpha, but we can always try.

[Neonivek]

but haven't you feel a bit uncomfortable when you try to convince your friends to play a fresh, outstanding game, and they prefer to stick to all what is safe and sound?

No, the games I have the toughest time getting my friends, who will play games I try to get them to play, are games that are not immediately fun.

 

and read the (purposely) vague description

I really don't give bonus to vagueness. Since I find that often when a game description gives you the ability to fill in the gaps it is because there was very little in there in the first place.

Not only pointing out their (maybe exceeded) hatred

This actually a huge flaw on two levels.
1) Pointing out mistakes in another game is taking attention away from what you are doing right
and more importantly
2) It often completely misses the point as to why those things exist in the first place.

For example Kenshin goes on a long rant about how terrible quests in RPGs are. This is to distract from the fact that they actually don't have anything in terms of short term NPC interaction in mind as well as, because the game includes bounties, completely misunderstands it.

Here is the thing.

This game looks very weak storywise BECAUSE it tries so hard not to pin you down. It never tries to tell me anything strong because it is too focused on "Ohh we arn't like those others guys" and "Ohh we will have a relationship system instead". A Relationship system? I've played the most linear games ever devised that have relationship systems with multiple factions.

Wasn't my intention to preach a lecture about a flawed pre-alpha, but we can always try.

If this was a game where they were keeping their cards close to their chest to surprise you later. I'd give it a pass, there is no one way to really make a game shine.

They are however asking you to invest in this game.

They NEED to be saying these things. Every "This looks Drunken" should be met with something to ensure you that it isn't how it is going to be.

If someone walked into your room and asked you to invest in a car... and the prototype they let you drive...
a) doesn't run
b) Smells bad
c) Looks bad

You are not going to invest in that car. They really arn't selling their own game.

And the thing is, I don't really think this is all that bad. My biggest issue with this game is it looks mildly boring.

[ragnar119]

114,251 it looks like they will not make it, and 51h to go

[Squanto]

114,251 it looks like they will not make it, and 51h to go

Actually, it has gone up about 25k in the last two days-ish, so it's probably going to be really close to the cutoff if it keeps going up like that.  The new updates seemed to help a lot.

[notquitethere]

This is basically adventure mode with graphics, right? I think it looks awesome and I hope that this, like all other games I've backed on the Kickstarter, will be funded.

[Puzzlemaker]

Actually I also want to see this funded.  I may throw some money at it.  Hopefully it makes it.

[Anvilfolk]

Yeah, this thread revival made me pledge. Stupid kickstarter projects, taking all my money.

[Aptus]

From everything I have read/heard about this project it sounds like it will turn out to be So Generic + shitty animations. Really, it just seems like any "action RPG" description I have ever seen only with flailing like an epileptic goose instead of animations.

[Squanto]

with flailing like an epileptic goose instead of animations.

I agree with you for the first video, but in the last one showing off shields the knight seemed to have much tighter and neater movements with considerably less flailing around.  It may just be an issue of mass distribution on their human models, I have the feeling the arms are heavier than they should be but the weight of the armor helped cancel out the "having your entire body nearly fall over with every swing you take" effects.