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JosephWongKS

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How does attribute training work?
« on: November 03, 2012, 10:42:01 am »

How does attribute training work?

Do a dwarf's stats increase with each level earned in a skill, or is it based on the total number of job experience he has? For example, which dwarf gets higher attribute boosts - a dwarf who has Legendary +5 in one skill (29,000 exp, for 20 skill levels) or a dwarf who has Novice in 30 skills (15,000 exp, for 30 skill levels)?

And does a dwarf keep getting attribute boosts if he works at a job past Legendary +5?
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Re: How does attribute training work?
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 11:12:39 am »

There're an cap to attribute, but yes, you can get them to max with legendary jobs. Or at least with danger rooming, workshop jobs takes a long time to improve them to be of note.

I'm fairly sure that it's by exp, rather than by level, but I've not closely observed it.
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Re: How does attribute training work?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 03:45:35 pm »

It's by experience, they gain a small amount of attributes each time they use a skill.

Legendary+5 is not the final limit, they still gain new levels at a skill after that. I'm not sure if that has an impact on the quality of their work, but tey do get attribute points for it.
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Re: How does attribute training work?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2012, 07:25:59 am »

I once set the learning rate for mining to 500 and dwarven speed to 1, then let a starting peasant loose on the first soil layer. They got to Legendary extremely quickly, but only gained a couple of points of any attribute. That one quick test suggests that attribute gain is time-based.

Legendary+5 is the final level for skills. I believe attributes will still train after that point, but I haven't been looking in DT.

Edit: See here for more testing: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93113.0
That one did use L+5 dwarves, who did gain some stats from doing the appropriate job.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2012, 07:31:06 am by Sutremaine »
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Re: How does attribute training work?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2012, 10:07:34 am »

I once set the learning rate for mining to 500 and dwarven speed to 1, then let a starting peasant loose on the first soil layer. They got to Legendary extremely quickly, but only gained a couple of points of any attribute. That one quick test suggests that attribute gain is time-based.

Legendary+5 is the final level for skills. I believe attributes will still train after that point, but I haven't been looking in DT.

Edit: See here for more testing: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93113.0
That one did use L+5 dwarves, who did gain some stats from doing the appropriate job.
Unless something's changed in recent versions (very possible), legendary+5 is not the final skill level for things like combat.

Skills like weaponsmithing check against lists to see what is possible. For example, at legendary+5, you will never make a -weapon- because the game says so.

Skills like dodging and shield usage use the skill levels to compare to other skill levels. So for example, my legendary+100 shield user who's trained for 40 years straight will effectively be untouchable by a legendary +10 hammerdwarf who's trained for 5-10 years. Even though they both appear to be legendary, the shield user's skill level is much higher.
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Re: How does attribute training work?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 02:39:15 am »

Some don't come by working at all, but time spent, laying on a traction bench.  Toughness.  And then there is that one that involves witnessing death.  I believe its a result of elapsed time, since when the last bonus to an attribute was applied.  But I have no hard facts on it. That's just how it feels.
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