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[kingubu]

I can't figure out how to tell if there are moghoppers on my map.  Is there any way to list vermin?  Or do I have to just catch a bunch and see what I get?

[TruePikachu]

There is no way to list vermin, but the Wiki is a good place to start

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Moghopper:

Moghoppers are an amphibious vermin. They are found in any savage area near pools during summer, and can be fished and cleaned for food. Moghoppers can also be captured alive and have mog juice extracted from them.

You likely have them if you have pools (stagnate water), are in a savage area, and it is summer.

[Loud Whispers]

It really isn't worth it as far as I know, better to try buy some from other civilizations then have your vermin catchers get gibbed chasing after teleporting vermin.

[katana]

Someone who has random urges to make mog juice isn't exactly going to care about the cost effectiveness of obtaining it.

[Drazinononda]

kingubu cancels Efficiency: Taken by mood

[kingubu]

I realized I've cooked everything you can process at a workshop except for mogjuice.  I guess I'll just trap until something happens.

[Loud Whispers]

Someone who has random urges to make mog juice isn't exactly going to care about the cost effectiveness of obtaining it.

Sometimes I forget just what this forum is about - Dwarf Fortress

[Urist Da Vinci]

IRL frog juice is a drink in some south american countries.

[kingubu]

Well, I've learned a lot about trapping.

Firstly, the trapping interface is worse than the military.  I always wondered why trappers had the option of just grabbing a trap and wrestling the vermin.  Seemed like that's not how traps usually work.  Now I understand.

Not all savage biomes have moghoppers.

Taming vermin before you sell them doubles their sell price.

You can tame an entire animal cage full of vermin in one job.

DFhack's autolabor plugin doesn't work properly for the TRAPPER labor.  Probably no one noticed because no one sane has a vermin trapping industry.

Still no mog juice, back to work.

[edgefigaro]

Excellent Science sir!

[kingubu]

About 4 or 5 forts later and still no juice.  The raws say their frequency is 10.  Which I'm guessing means 10% of the time there's moghoppers. 

I just built my first danger room.  They're pretty cheese.  Pull a level and, poof! magic military.  Still, it's useful.  I'm getting the rat catcher industry running the first summer instead of the second.

Next fort I'm going to embark without cats, since I have so many full time vermin catchers already.

[goblolo]

mog juice has value of 50 turtles each (25 times the price of common meat!). It will result in uber-great meals!

[kingubu]

So I may be facepalming here. 

Moghoppers are amphibious.  Do you catch them from the kennel/butcher as "catch a live land animal" or from a fishery as "capture a live fish"?  I've been doing catch land, but I just realized they may only be in water.

Has anyone actually caught a moghopper?  I have yet to even see one anywhere.

On the plus side, I found that embarking without cats triples the vermin catching output.  And that lungfish aren't tameable.  And guppies left in an animal trap will die.

What a long strange trip it's been.

[AutomataKittay]

So I may be facepalming here. 

Moghoppers are amphibious.  Do you catch them from the kennel/butcher as "catch a live land animal" or from a fishery as "capture a live fish"?  I've been doing catch land, but I just realized they may only be in water.

Has anyone actually caught a moghopper?  I have yet to even see one anywhere.

On the plus side, I found that embarking without cats triples the vermin catching output.  And that lungfish aren't tameable.  And guppies left in an animal trap will die.

What a long strange trip it's been.

I think moghopper's only around during summer in savage biomes. I've never actually tried to catch them, myself. Pretty sure it's under catch live fish since it's found in pools.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Moghopper

[Lich180]

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Captured_live_fish

I think you need a fishery, and capture live fish orders, as well as animal traps.

Hope that helps in your strange mood!