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[Zyxl]

Hahaha!  Bump!

Oh hell yes multiplayer is finally-
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Have some content.

I actually was waiting to make a modpack using "realistic" materials with alloys of Iron, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, rhenium, tungsten, titanium, aluminum... etc with things like platinum family metals for electronics and radioactive materials like polonium (actually used as a power source for space probes) for increasingly complex nuclear reactors (kiss my molten salt you ancient light water reactors! Uranium is for dense armor plating). I'd everything organized into 3 major density groups for how far into the asteroid it would be. Thing is, I couldn't really designate different "types" of asteroids and really didn't want a perfectly even minecraft-style distribution across everything.

Then I played with a spreadsheet to "balance" 3 "tiers" of technology (based on the 3 asteroid density levels) until I ran out of enthusiasm. Never got past screwing with armor values. I'll check this out, but if it doesn't have powerarmor I'm making my own mod :p

Cloaking

Texture is transparent when powered? Can we do that?

minelayers

In the 1.0.5 alpha engine? Did you just set projectile speed to 0 and lifetime to indefinite like with cloak?

balance

Ship weapons vs ship armor vs player weapons vs player armor is crucial... and the 255 value limit is a PITA... but this and new features like cloaking is more important than adding more unobtanium.

Damn, I need to play around with this some more.

I sent him an email with feature requests and feedback a while ago, sadly I haven't gotten a reply back.

Yep. I posted the gist of mine here some pages back too. He needs a forum, twitter isn't going to cut it.

[Biopass]

Powered armor isn't possible, sadly. My top-tier armor is called "alloy", and is a generic blueish-grey material.

transparent when powered

It's possible to do it that way, but it looks like shit, and all non-transparent components are clearly visible through your invisible hull.

minelayers

Basically, yeah. Square projectiles that deals maximum damage. When you 'fire' the module it places them about 20 blocks away from the end of the module.

balance

Nearly impossible with player health values, but I think I've got decent values for v3.

I'm also doing a similar thing with linear strength distribution (or rather, throwing it out the window). I'd rather see a focus on mass production (especially when we get mining lasers) and nonlinear trends than on finding the biggest asteroid you can and digging for redium because it's the only material that's relevant at endgame.

[Zyxl]

Powered armor isn't possible, sadly.

All I need is variable block health for it being powered, but otherwise it IS possible if you are willing to play along and actually power the armor. I figure it should be a third option with the highest HP and cost to the otherwise simple light/heavy variants of armor for each tech level. Use it for tiny critical spots like exposed wire bits (ie cannon mounts) or wherever the maximum HP density per volume is required.

It's possible to do it that way, but it looks like shit, and all non-transparent components are clearly visible through your invisible hull.

There's a rendering bug where you will see through the block and any surfaces it's connected to, properly cloaking anything provided you look at it from the right direction. Otherwise, invisible armor! My general strategy will be to plate my ship in light titanium, just so they can't immediately judge the relative tech level of the ship. A layer of invisible armor might allow for a good ploy to have them underestimate your protection or to create the illusion of a weak point on the ship where there is none and/or nothing.

Nearly impossible with player health values, but I think I've got decent values for v3.

The real trick is the 255 value limit when a player already has 100 hp. Can't really be done in the current version beyond player vs tech level 1.

I'd rather see a focus on mass production (especially when we get mining lasers) and nonlinear trends than on finding the biggest asteroid you can and digging for redium because it's the only material that's relevant at endgame.

Mining lasers? Like automated mining from the ship? Mass production from mobile death factories? NOOOOOO. I have a completely different vision for this game.

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I've been thinking about game balance and gameplay for awhile myself. I consider the current "balance" completely a placeholder and the game largely incomplete. I've got ideas for a mod and some stats on paper I've been holding off on until we get actual multiplayer.

Wars will be fought on two fronts: StarShips and infini-'roidminer. Need actual division between these, like smallarms being much more ineffective against metal blocks, and players being weaker against ship cannons even with armor. NO mining from a ship. Players must be exposed to collect resources, otherwise you'd end up with an invulnerable deathcube of a ship sucking up all the 'roids. More connections between the ship and the 'roids are needed: supplies. Fuel and mass driver ammo, lest deathcubes be indefinitely self-sufficient. This would force more competition between teams for 'roid control and encourage expansion beyond building a single deathcube or overkill-fortifications on a single 'roid and staying there indefinitely. Ships would effectively exist to ferry resources/players/supplies from an old mining operation to a new one, and serve as a platform to raid/seige enemy controlled 'roids.

As for infiniroidminer: Raiding and defending should be fun.
Small autoturrets, IFF, detection systems with player and team alerts, Team-only beacons, traps, smaller player inventories with less-portable processing/crafting combined with armored bunkers/bases to stash supplies with automated machines to process raw minerals, environmental hazards... etc. This should lead to centralized "vaults" to be defended and raided, with enough action elsewhere in a 'roid.  Different asteroids types with different mineral distributions too, to encourage expansion and the transport of resources.

As for starships:
Docking/locking blocks to "snap" and "separate" bodies. IE two ships maneuver side by side, rotate close enough (need a good pilot and design) with slight auto-twisting of the body to fudge it once you're close enough. They could also be used to separate bodies, like a ship from a dockyard or a fighter from a mothership, or maybe a really complex multi-stage ship. Need automated shipyards for automated building and repairs, such that players can focus on the parts of the game with potential for action. Give it a saved ship template (would have to be player-built at least once, first) then dump in resources and watch it go or dock a ship with holes and watch it patch up. The actual block(s) that do this should be MASSIVE, both mass and volume, such that the only portable auto-repairs are on stations and genuine motherships. Need moving hydraulics that can be toggled with controls, that actually moves attached blocks. Probably similar internal logic to the docking/locking blocks, where it keeps track of sub-bodies within the parent body. This way you could have anything from complex doors, to firing ports, to... really cool transformers? Lots of things you could do. Heh, retracting engines and anti-cap cannons. Sweet. Like engines with force rating, the more mass it's moving then the slower it is given it's limited strength... ability to combine/stack them like with engines as well?

Ship weapons I figure should be based around the nature of the ships: bulky, slow, and awkward to maneuver. I figure:
-Fast moving, short ranged, weak CIWS pulse lasers good for shooting down torpedoes, sappers, and sandpapering a hull.
-Big, expensive, slower, medium ranged ship-killing mass drivers.
-Long ranged ship-killing Torpedoes-with-a-capital-T that prompt evasive maneuvers, combined with weaker spam-missiles to pacify CIWS.
-Ramming damage. Oh hell yes. Denser materials crumple stuff like aluminum and titanium, and an aluminum cruiser is vulnerable to a small iron ship with a crazy pilot. Good way to deposit a boarding party.
-MINES. Small, fast ship just outside of CIWS range dumps mines in the path of a moving cruiser. Or surround the entrance to your base with IFF capable mines.
-Ion weapons? Some kind of electronic warfare?

For both:
IFF for blocks. Team A places blocks, then Team A can drill them up easy. Team B takes longer to drill the same blocks.

I've got a lot of ideas for a game like this. Again, I would pay the dev 50$ to just open source it or ignore spin-offs and let people take off with this game platform.

edit:
Almost forgot, regarding existing game content: Centralized vs Decentralized power. As it is, wires being weak to damage and actually draining energy combined with larger power sources not being significantly more efficient than smaller ones makes me conclude there is no point to centralized power. A cruiser isn't as fun to shoot at when you can't disable it with a shot clean through the reactor. Wires need to be a little tougher than they are with no power drain, with optional power armor in critical spots at the cost of power drain, and the increased efficiency/output of larger/bulky power sources need to be enough such that it's important when thinking about how to power a bank of CIWS pulse lasers.

edit again: derp, almost forgot. REALLY need visible block damage.

Forget unobtaniredium. My idea was to use 'actual' superalloys that use a small amount of T3 ore, but the bulk of production is still the more plentiful T1-T2 ores. If all higher tech products used mostly lower tech ores then drilling straight to the core will just be a small tick on the "to-do" list of T3. Distribution should be such that a good surplus of lower tech ores should remain even after using all the higher tech ores in alloys from a single asteroid, and you might get 1-2 T3 items out of a single asteroid if you're lucky. Given sufficient rarity and nerfing of T3, it won't really be linear or nonlinear so much as binary.

[Girlinhat]

The modders went to hell and back again with damage values.  The 255 damage-per-shot cap is perfect, so long as you treat it like it should be.  The modders in /vg/ just looked at it and said "I love how I can crash my Minecraft when I insta-spawn a tower of 100,000 TNT.  Oh hey I can mod a new laser into Corneroids!"  Similar to Minecraft, it's like the suits of powered armor.  "You take zero damage, and also it fills your hunger and air supply and also fall damage.  You can sit at the bottom of the ocean being attacked by hundreds of zombies for hours!"

So disregard the 255 damage cap.  Regular weapons are going up to what, 25?  Let's not blow EVERYTHING out of proportion...

Also, don't worry about player's health being 100.  I'm certain that player damage and block damage will get reworked.  As it stands, anti-personnel guns do 20 damage, which will destroy any block.  However, the player has 100 health.  When AP guns get updated, and do 0-1 damage to blocks but 20 damage to players, then it'll make sense.  The easiest way to tweak this, I think, would to just declare "All projectiles do 20x damage to players." and then tweak weapons to comply.  Of course, ideally all weapons would get two damage ratings.  "Damage to terrain" and "Damage to player" so AP guns could get 0 to terrain and 20 to player, while a mining drill could get 20 to terrain and 0 to player, and anti-frigate guns just do 25 to terrain and "instant death" to player.

I really think the top-tier items should be more about diluting than about power-housing.  Like, instead of having extremely rare Redium blocks, instead make it so that Redium is used to dilute Titanium, so that 1 Titanium + 1 Redium = 20 Titanium.  Or other alloying methods to "stretch out" your resources.  The higher tiers of metals would turn into armor that isn't any better, but is cheaper.  After all, warfare is never about who's got the biggest gun.  War is about who can replace their lost guns the fastest.

[Freshmaniscoolman]

It says Corneroids has stopped working as soon as I double click it, I'm running Windows 7 32-bit, help please?

[miauw62]

You lack one of two requirements listed on the main page.

[Freshmaniscoolman]

Yup, thanks, I got it working.

[Talvieno]

Bump.

Multiplayer release is tomorrow.

[Valtam]

Bump.

Multiplayer release is tomorrow.

Following Mikko Pulkki's Twitter account, eh?
Well, maybe the massive blasting clashes between starships might not happen until future releases, but 8 players does the trick by now. Also, he kept his word and maybe we'll have some new modded features thrown with the Vanilla release. I think that's what happened with 1.0.5

It will be awesome.

[Gamerlord]

 

But... I just started building an uber-ship! 

Over twelve thousand tons placed for nothing...

[Graknorke]

If anyone tries to get me to do anything between 3-5pm today then I am going to flip.

[Aklyon]

Well, I'm ready for the multiplayers, and I can probably host unless someone has a better idea.

[Aklyon]

Hey guys.
Guess what I found on /vg/.

[miauw62]

Goddamnit, tomorrow is the one day I can't play. Let's hope forsaken has a day off.

[Symbiode]

Have you guys had any luck with multiplayer? I tried it with my brother last night but he kept de-syncing, so we ended up stopping before getting anything built.