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[Alu]

I know, this has been suggested more then once before (years ago) and it was well-recieved, but most people seem to have forgotten about it.

Doesn't it bother you, that you either use a drawbridge as a gate or small doors like to some random shack? This is not worthy of your fortress! Don't you want to display the true skill of craftsdwarfship?
You need Gates! Several Z-Levels high, more than just two tiles wide and thick enough to withstand a swing of a bronze golem (depending on the material?)

And how about the gate-parts are built in pairs in workshops (depending on the material), so there is a possibility of artifact gates?

So yes, Gates! They rock! Vote for them!

artwork by jordangrimmer

[DG]

I may have a vote to spare after the next update (though we shouldn't over-estimate their influence). Wouldn't it be better to push for dwarves having the ability to appreciate multiple z-levels in general, which would include multi-level structures like gates but also high ceilings and make possible the designation of rooms across storeys?

[Revanchist]

That would deter those mica fortifications....

[Sprin]

We have that but its called a wall "grate"...

[dwarfhoplite]

I agree. We need proper gates. What we use now is just a poor spaceholder.

[Escapism]

You could have a body-part system for gates, so that damage during sieging can be represented.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I agree. We need proper gates. What we use now is just a poor spaceholder.

...What do we have?

[dwarfhoplite]

I agree. We need proper gates. What we use now is just a poor spaceholder.

...What do we have?

Well, now that I think about it, drawbridge is actually very appropriate when there's a moat. Without a moat, drawbridge seems silly to me.

[forsaken1111]

Can't you just link several doors to a lever, or use floodgates to simulate a gate? I mean we DO have poor substitutes for this now. Any kind of massive gate will have to wait until the 'moving fortress' update Toady has mentioned several times, which will include things like elevators/portcullis/etc

[Alu]

Can't you just link several doors to a lever, or use floodgates to simulate a gate? I mean we DO have poor substitutes for this now. Any kind of massive gate will have to wait until the 'moving fortress' update Toady has mentioned several times, which will include things like elevators/portcullis/etc

It'd still just be one tile high, also, you can't place more than two doors next to each other. And I think, even if it worked, this wouldn't make an appropriate door.

[Revanchist]

Apparently caravans cannot travel through triple-door assemblies.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Can't you just link several doors to a lever, or use floodgates to simulate a gate? I mean we DO have poor substitutes for this now. Any kind of massive gate will have to wait until the 'moving fortress' update Toady has mentioned several times, which will include things like elevators/portcullis/etc

It'd still just be one tile high, also, you can't place more than two doors next to each other. And I think, even if it worked, this wouldn't make an appropriate door.

Using a couple of wall-deconstruction bugs, you could actually get a 2󫶛 door gate, if you made about 56 doors and mechanisms.

[Revanchist]

This is undwarven, but why do we need extravagant entrances? How would bigger entryways possibly benefit the lives of our alchoholic workers?

[10ebbor10]

This is undwarven, but why do we need extravagant entrances? How would bigger entryways possibly benefit the lives of our alchoholic workers?

Not now, but in the future when Toady fixes the size of tiles to a certain point, or allows dwarves to admire multiple z-level constructions.

[Kipi]

Actually, there are two sides of gates; historical and fictional.

Historically the gates (and gatehouses) weren't big, especially when looking at medieval Europe. In fact, the gates were usually made as compact as possible, without hindering the daily passage of people, to make it easier to defend against siege. The actual gateway wasn't tall, just a bit higher than what we consider a normal height of big room today. Above that, in separate floor, were the stations for archers, watchers and so on.

In fiction the gates are considered as big, crafty and decorative passages, just like in the picture of OP. In fiction the fact of how functional the gate is doesn't matter that much as long as it's huge and representative.


If Toady wan'ts to go with the historical route then there isn't much that needs to be added; perhaps a door -like furniture that is three tiles wide so that caravan can get through it. If he decides to go with fictional style, then only the sky is a limit of what can be added.