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Author Topic: EoFS Revisited - 50027AD (Year 72) - Closing discussion  (Read 70162 times)

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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #900 on: April 30, 2013, 07:54:40 am »

I'm with Kebooo on this one - the game is not won yet. Athough I'm a bit more optimistic about my chances - should I manage to declare myself Emperor, your only option will be finding and killing all my nobles on Byzantium before the time's up.
Still, I've got enough intel on the rest of the players(some of it freely given while I was still considered an ally, eh Kebooo?) to be anything but cocksure.
As a matter of fact, this is even more true now thanks to Aqizzar's destroying of the part of my fleet recovering from damage taken when fighting mainiac.

As for the forces on Delphi, they are all infantry from the Eye fort whom I've been paying for training for the last few turns in anticipation of the inevitable war. There might be a spy and a lander there as well.

These are quite crappy forces, and the only reason they did some damage is, I think, because you've left your palace completely unguarded, Aqizzar.
You should be able to retake your homeworld with what I saw you've got there, and what you can ship in from Vril-Ya.
Heck, the palace itself is undefended.
What's more, all these cities(and sceptors) are now Eye property, so even if I manage to keep them, they'll go to whomever takes the Eye next.


Anyway, I'd obviously want to continue, but I understand that playing EFS might be the last thing currently on Aqizzar's mind, so if he wants out we should look for a replacement - although I must say Hawkwood's position is not the best at the moment so it might not be easy finding one.
Frankly, I'd even agree to one of the other players taking control of Aqizzar's forces if that's what it takes.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #901 on: April 30, 2013, 10:01:21 am »

Free intel, indeed, though I wouldn't place too much emphasis on its accuracy. Ever since I destroyed mainiac's relics above Cadavus I saw you as the next Great Enemy so I have been seeking ways to damage you in the context of an "ally". I admit I didn't expect that you had the other two relics. I hoped margrave or Aqizzar had one. But I figured you'd fair well against mainiac and therefore were the next natural threat to galactic peace.

The whole 10 year house rule is really the only thing on Palazzo's side. It may be enough for his victory and I think it's important we find out whether it is or not. And it's there for a good reason, or else it would be virtually impossible to ever become emperor. He will not be able to control Byzantium skies, but finding and killing his nobles in 10 years could be difficult.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #902 on: April 30, 2013, 10:06:57 am »

He has multiple nobles on Byzantium?
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #903 on: April 30, 2013, 10:13:47 am »

I don't have direct evidence of it, but it would be a shock to find out he doesn't have at least two or three there, given his attempt at the throne.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #904 on: April 30, 2013, 01:24:26 pm »

How much shipping did Aqizzer let through?
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #905 on: April 30, 2013, 03:36:34 pm »

He has multiple nobles on Byzantium?
Jesus, people, this is the seventh decade of gametime. The only question worth asking is why has nobody else bothered to ship in more than one noble.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #906 on: April 30, 2013, 05:10:59 pm »

Shipping has been too tight for me to spare a trip to Byzantium.  Keboo has been cut off thanks to me.  I don't know about Margrave.

The thing that confuses me is that you must have been doing all this shipping in full sight of Aqizzer.  I knew that you sent in four Vau mercs but that was the extent of my knowledge.  I was watching Aqizzer like a hawk because I saw the threat in him shipping a bunch of stuff in and starting a war.  I wasn't watching you or Margrave because I figured that Aqizzer wouldn't let you ship in a bunch of stuff unless he stood to profit.  I was wrong about that.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #907 on: April 30, 2013, 05:33:14 pm »

He could hardly deny me shipping without starting a war, which he knew damn well would be too costly.
And thanks to you I had the perfect diplomatic excuse to increase my garrison - after all, there were assassins prowling the streets, amirite?

I still think all of you had your priorities skewed if you thought properly defending Byzantium had to wait until you were done conquering a few extra cities on some backwater world.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #908 on: April 30, 2013, 06:00:24 pm »

Well, I let a bunch of nobles die in a period of the game that I thought their presence on the throne world would be trivially important and winning at Cadavus to be of paramount importance. Mainiac could have just killed them on Byzantium anyway. I was also wary of having a transport convoy being at the mercy of both Margrave and Aqizzar and what favors or payment it might entail. Being denied passage through mainiac's worlds played a huge role in my strategy, considering the incredibly long path around I'd have to take. I felt it wasn't worth my returning until I could actually return with enough force to defend my noble. Which happens to be now, so let there be war.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #909 on: April 30, 2013, 06:17:56 pm »

He could hardly deny me shipping without starting a war, which he knew damn well would be too costly.

I'm not saying that he should have started a war, I'm saying that I was surprised he wasn't keeping tabs on you sending fleets through his territory.  How successful do you think this sneak attack of yours would have been if Aqizzer had given everyone a heads up three turns before the shooting happened?
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #910 on: April 30, 2013, 09:22:51 pm »

If you really want to stop playing Aqizzar then I can't force you to keep going. We've had fun and I think you can come back from this. But if you really don't want to then thanks for sticking it out.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet and Pancreator willing we're just getting to the fun part of this Grand Campaign. I would not be opposed to looking for another player if anyone is interested.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #911 on: May 01, 2013, 12:51:36 am »

He could hardly deny me shipping without starting a war, which he knew damn well would be too costly.

I'm not saying that he should have started a war, I'm saying that I was surprised he wasn't keeping tabs on you sending fleets through his territory.  How successful do you think this sneak attack of yours would have been if Aqizzer had given everyone a heads up three turns before the shooting happened?

You say that like you think I didn't notice.  Honestly, I saw you winning your war against Kebooo and figured as long as Palazzo was paying more attention to you than me, I could deal with that.  Not to mention I'm terrible at judging force strength, especially when that force is nothing but unknown cargo containers, and the way EoFS plays makes it hard for me to tell when ships are actually moving around.  Sometimes I get the feeling I'm doing something wrong, since I seem to be the only player who doesn't possess complete and constant knowledge of what's in orbit - my experience has been that even freighters and dreadnaughts can stay hidden until attacked because of sight-calculation only taking place when your own units act.

As for me focusing more on planets other than Byzantium, the basic reason is that defending myself on Byzantium was always a priority.  It was just a priority I couldn't achieve.  I had to stretch out and claim worlds so that I wouldn't bottled into Delphi and Malignatus, then I had to get enough industry going on those worlds to crank out a modicum of forces to defend them, then I'd be able to do something about Byzantium.  The simple fact is, as I've stated before, I got left behind very early and as with most 4X games losing the initiative in EoFS is almost unrecoverable against human players.  I wanted to defend Byzantium, and Delphi and Vril-ya and everything else.  I didn't have the resources to do it until it was already far too late.

Not to mention I vaguely remember it being against the rules or unsporting or something to be landing Nobles and garrison forces in every hidden cranny of Byzantium where no one will ever find them.  The "ten turn" rule doesn't really mean much unless all the Nobles are somewhere everyone else can keep tabs on them.

Anyway, I do owe it to you guys to try to keep playing.  I'll fire up that computer and see how cooperative it's being.

And I'm almost willing to say my participation is dependent on mainiac spelling my name right in at least one post of this thread.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #912 on: May 01, 2013, 02:17:38 am »

The final plea of the gambler.  The endless prayer of the penitent.  The epitaph of a thousand kings.

"How did it come to this?"

For more than four decades have I lurked in the collected dust of ages, holding court over as the once proud empire of man stirred to motion after generations of decay.  Maggots emerging from a corpse.

Holding court, and little else.  My once respected House, as pitiful an edifice as any other, was ruled in ages past by men wise and just.  Having see the civilized universe all but torn asunder by war, they passed down through the warrior princes of my dynasty one lesson above all others.  A warrior possesses no greater strength, than the power to stay his hand.

I can only hope, in my vain and mortal heart, that in some distant time beyond this coming darkness that humble men will remember me as a patient tyrant, who sought peace above all.

As a thousand noble kings before me learned, the only reward an honorable warrior can truly expect is an honorable death.  So many times before, and I fear this may be the very last.

The blade is heavier than I recall.  Even with the greatest riches and knowledge faithful men possess, forty two years take a great toll.  Forty two years since my brethren, curse the name, chose me to guide them.  That they might in turn ignore all they professed to obey.  Chose me to divvy up the last riches of a dying realm, and chose me to blame for their failure to stay their own wrath and greed.  I gave them my patience, a patience so magnanimous I all but rendered the third greatest seat of power in the mortal universe all but irrelevant.  For all their plots and machinations, far more volumes of my ineptitude are spoken by how long it took them to care to depose me.

I can smell the fires now, raging in the hulk of a palace I've not entered in decades.  My own blood is on the wind.  There, the cry of valiant warriors, fighting on to the bitter end.  Do they even think they're fighting in my name now?  There, the unholy light of a warlock, a skean in the fabric of reality let loose for such petty ends.  There, the terrible cry of an alien beast on wing, scything any human in its path for some goal it couldn't hope to comprehend.  There, Vau pennants fluttering alongside their employers, knowing their newest vassal is all but secured.

The mightiest legion in human history stands about me resolute, heedless of errant missiles and desperate wails alike.  The oldest concord of the Empire still holds even now - the Guard does not leave, and the Rabble do not enter.  They would give their lives to defend the seat of Imperial power.  But of any fool who successfully schemes to sit upon it?  They could not care less.

The Hazat champion ascends to face me, flanked by his coterie of alien mercenaries.  They will not and cannot take my authority, not without a hollow excuse for political process.  They simply come to clear the way for Lazarus, and make clear what was already known.

I do not give them the satisfaction of conversation.  He raises his glaive in salute, to meet my coming blade.  I do not know how many I can strike down, but I cannot count how many more will follow...

How did it come to this?



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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #913 on: May 01, 2013, 07:13:26 am »

And I'm almost willing to say my participation is dependent on mainiac spelling my name right in at least one post of this thread.

Your price is high, old chum.  Your price is high.
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Re: EoFS Revisited - 50017AD (Year 62) - The End is Nigh, or is it?
« Reply #914 on: May 01, 2013, 08:11:01 pm »

I apologize I will not be able to get the turn out tonight. A mixture of fatigue, the enormity of the micromanaging and the game locking up on my system requiring a full pc restart.

So add to the list of bugs: hovering your cursor at the bottom of the screen can causes a lockup. Couldnt even ctrl altdelete my way out of it.

No more right clicking on resource tabs for me.
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