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Darvi

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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2012, 04:11:59 pm »

Proposed addendum 2: No paradoci. Asking stuff like "Will you answer this question truthfully" will be punished by smiting.
The random guy would have to alternate, otherwise he could act in exactly the same way as one of the others by chance (say, telling the truth in response to all three questions) and it would be impossible.  It's just that he starts off on a random truth/non-truth.
But that's like, the opposite of random, it's pathetically predictable once you have him figured out.
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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2012, 04:14:20 pm »

Okay, NONE of you seem to be following this question properly.

Asking if the sky is blue provides NO information, whatsoever, no matter who you ask. (though if used for the first question, it can determine who is not random as I demonstrated)

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This is actually looking like an easier version of an existing puzzle. In the full version all 3 questions must be to one god exactly. And the random guy is listed as "completely random", not alternating.
It's actually a harder version, since they don't answer "yes" or "no", they answer "frump" or "crump". And the guy doesn't alternate, as was clarified, he simply chooses randomly.

Isn't that literally impossible, though?  There's no way to distinguish "A guy who tells the truth" from "A guy who happened to tell the truth 3 times in a row".
...yes, yes there is. Ask one of the other two. Or simply identify one of the other two.
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Darvi

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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2012, 04:16:10 pm »

Exactly. Because that's what random does.

Also I propose to call him Norman. Because that'd make him the Random Norman God.
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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2012, 04:16:26 pm »

I answered it in two questions exactly...
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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2012, 04:17:35 pm »

Where and how?

(And yes, I did accidently delete me 1 is Truthful boxes somehow...)

Also, you seemed to have missed the bit where he answers randomly - why would random dude stay quiet?
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2012, 04:18:25 pm »

Where and how?

(And yes, I did accidently delete me 1 is Truthful boxes somehow...)

"If you were the opposite, would you say the sky is blue?"

This gets AXA (No, Nothing, No)

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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2012, 04:19:15 pm »

Why would he say nothing? Not sure you justified that.

Wouldn't he just answer yes or no, randomly? Exactly as the problem said he would?
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Darvi

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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2012, 04:19:50 pm »

Actually the other two had to answer "yes", unless their sky is green or something.

Also, nowhere is it established that they would be quiet if asked an impossible to answer question.
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« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2012, 04:20:54 pm »

Though it IS established that you have to answer yes/no questions, and I'm pretty sure that one doesn't count as a yes/no question for that guy.
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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2012, 04:21:21 pm »

Why would he say nothing? Not sure you justified that.

Wouldn't he just answer yes or no, randomly? Exactly as the problem said he would?

He doesn't say Yes and No randomly. He switches between telling the truth and lying randomly.

Thus the opposite of random is consistancy but randomised consistancy means he doesn't know the answer to the question because the random guy doesn't know. Thus there is no answer and thus there is no answer.

Also the rule is SPECIFICALLY

That I can only ask yes and no questions.
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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2012, 04:22:09 pm »

And thus its not a yes/no question, and you can't ask it.
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« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2012, 04:22:27 pm »

To clarify, the random one does just choose randomly between yes and no. I thought I was clear about that, but I guess I should have made sure I had the right wording.
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« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2012, 04:22:41 pm »

Well i have the 2nd + 3rd question down.

"If i asked you "are you the liar" would you answer Y?"

Truth teller will always answer "N", liar will always answer "Y" no matter whether Y or N mean true or false. If the person answers the same as the token in your question, you know they're the liar.

It's then easy to point at one of the 2 unknown Gods, and ask "are they the random one?".

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« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2012, 04:23:41 pm »

And thus its not a yes/no question, and you can't ask it.

It is, the question was "Is the sky blue?" and I gave a condition.
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Darvi

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Re: Confounded logic puzzles
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2012, 04:24:27 pm »

He doesn't say Yes and No randomly. He switches between telling the truth and lying randomly.
Which is just a different way to say the same thing. Guys if Pnx meant "he keeps alternating between yes and no" then he'd have said so.

AND THEN TEN THOUSAND NINJAS ATTACKED ME OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE DDDDx
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