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Erkki

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War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« on: October 13, 2012, 05:52:16 am »

Oh yes folks, its that time again.

I will be playing a game against Roger Nelson. We will do dueling AARs on the WitPAE forums. You may read all three AARs, my 2 that will be pretty much the same thing from my behalf, and his. If you do read his AAR, do not spoil the game by revealing anything to either player on the AAR threads or via PM. This includes questions and "guiding" to think about something... But general in-game questions and questions on everything revealed in the AAR are of course OK.

As before we'll do a "Bay 12 squadron". It is up to you to whether we use an Army or Navy(land based or carrier) fighter squadron, but the "Big Six" or Akagi, Kaga, Shokaku and Zuikaku are off the limits as is Zuiho, as these CVs will see action from the first day.

This time the war will start somewhat differently. I've grown frustrated with the results I've had with attacking Pearl Harbor, as well as having KB just sail around the following couple of weeks, so we're doing something different now. Target will be Manila with IJNAF's land based units supporting the attack from Formosa. CVL Zuiho will also join the KB's main body but has a different target. I am looking to kill or cripple all the 27 USN submarines, 2 seaplane/naval support vessels, 4 destroyers, 4 or 5 tankers and multiple merchants and other ships on turn 1. And then kill all the survivors that will try to flee Luzon - over 100 ships in total. We'll let the old battlewagons sitting at Pearl go. They'll be relatively easy prey should the Allies decide to use them.

First turn will be resolved on Monday or Tuesday - hopefully.  ;)
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 12:22:16 pm »

It seems the navy sees more action, so I move we make it a navy squadron.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 01:30:07 pm »

Agreed. Interesting to see how this pans out - wiping out the submarine fleet would be a major coup.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 01:35:28 pm »

Don't forget about Australia and Oceania. I'm no WWII expert, but they might be some trouble later, when we are in a fight with the US.
Also, yeah, go for the navy.

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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 04:52:08 pm »

Count me in with the navy.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 05:13:18 pm »

First 2 turns and general stuff:

Main strike: KB will hit Manila's port together with CVL Zuiho and 5 full bomber groups from Formosa. 12 Ki-21s will have to fly at extended range(half the bombload). Zeros from KB and Formosa will escort and sweep. Targets are 27 submarines(of which 4 are older "electric boats"). Everything else is secondary and most of them would be killed later any way by carrier air strikes and Imperial Navy's surface units. KB will then sweep South to cover invasion of Manado(northern Celebes) and Mindanao in Philippines. KB "Death Star"'s presence should make sure that the Allies make no attempt in trying to stall those landings. KB, Zuiho and surface raiders will try to get as many escaping ships as possible.

Map counter clockwise:

Burma: bombing campaign begins, starting to move in the first troops... Trying to advance ASAP here.

Andamans: we're moving the Marine paratroopers from Formosa to Bangkok and drop them to the Andamans from there. That should take about 2 weeks... Hopefully quick enough so the Allies dont have the time to send reinforcements.

Malaya: standard landings slightly adjusted, nothing fancy. Kota Bharu should be an operational fighter & bomber base by December 11th, bombing of Singapore will start ASAP. Submarines will lay mines in the strait NW of Singapore, only 40 but if they hit they'll be worth it.

Borneo: Standard landings at Miri, but Singkawang will be taken early. CVL Shoho and CVE Hosho will support this operation together with some battleships and a cruiser squadron...

Sumatra: Palembang landing is scheduled for December 19th-20th. We'll be using a mixed force. Depending on how quick I can load and transport the 4th Division to the area they will take part to this operation as needed. Once Palembang is secured and reinforced with engineering and aviation support units the troops will secure the rest of Sumatra(easy schedule) and wait for the Java operation.

Philippines: standard north coast Luzon landings, south coast landings will go much closer to Manila to speed up the things a little. Mindanao will be invaded on week 1 but both of the campaigns will probably take 4+ months.

Celebes: Manado invaded in the first week, bombers will be moved in. They should stop all Allied the naval traffic in the DEI East of Java and will be able to monitor all their movements.

New Guinea: north coast bases will be taken during the first week as will be Rabaul. I'm expecting some resistance here as the Allies know the Kido Butai to be elsewhere, and I'll be using some mainly older cruisers as the cover.

Solomons: Shortlands invasion force will go to Munda or Buna instead... Where exactly it goes depends on the situation.

Pacific: Tarawa invasion force takes Nauru first and Makin force takes Tarawa. This allows us to hit & run before the Allied carriers arrive... Hopefully. Wake invasion force will take Rabaul(above). Guam invasion force will wait for a go-signal for Wake, while a smallish force originally allocated for one of the Northern NG places will go to Guam.

Aleutians: A regiment and an aviation support company will be sent to Attu. Grab & run.




Don't forget about Australia and Oceania. I'm no WWII expert, but they might be some trouble later, when we are in a fight with the US.
Also, yeah, go for the navy.

For the first stage of the war(first 4-5 months) the by far most important targets are the oil fields found in Borneo(both South and North coast), Moluccas, Burma, Java and especially Sumatra. Even refineries are secondary as Japan's home islands have enough refinery capacity of its own to convert everything brought it. Only after those come capturing British stronghold of Singapore, American-held Philippines and the rest of the Dutch East Indies. Without oil Japan will have to cut down its war industry and stop sailing its Navy around... There are oil wells already in Japan's hands on Sakhalin Island and in Manchuria as well as synthetic oil plants in Japan but those arent nearly enough to run even the aircraft industry in its pre-war state - which I'm going to expand about 3-fold by mid-1942 and 4-fold by the end of the first war year. Refinery capacity is no problem though if the refineries near the oil fields are destroyed, bringing oil to Japan before converting it to fuel is that 11% less efficient than converting it near the wells and bringing just the fuel to the industry.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 04:34:35 pm »

And here are the results of the first strike! I must say I was VERY disappointed by the performance of G4Ms and G3Ms from Formosa. In my test attack they did very well despite meeting CAP first, at 7kft. Now they didnt meet even that CAP but still scored only a handful of hits... About 1 hit per 10 planes.

KB strikes however did very well and unlike in test run, every plane flew. I think we can call it a small success - 25/27 submarines were hit at least once, 14 confirmed kills and most of the survivors are in bad shape. We also nailed every other important ship in the bay minus 1 DD. Now we have some mopping to do: most of the hit submarines should not be able to submerge and the surface vessels are just targets. We'll take them out with KB, Zuiho and surface units - 4 DD squadrons of which 2 are lead by heavy cruisers will enter the archipelago will carriers sit outside. Theres some shipping still docked in the southern end of Luzon - they will probably try to flee as far as they can over the night, it'll be Zuiho's task to hunt them down should the DDs waiting outside the port fail.

Today Japan scored 104 points of shipping, but the listed 13 submarines, DD, PTs and xAKL only total 74 - so we probably got at least 2(so probably 15 subs at least, possibly up to 17, even 18!) more submarines right away.

Today's air losses were just 4 planes and 2 aircrew including an A5M4, escorting Zuiho's B5N strike, to patrolling P-40s over Manila.

N:o
1      SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1      SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1      SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
2      SS Perch, Bomb hits 2,  heavy damage      SS Perch, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
3      SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
4      SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage      SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
5      SS S-38, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
6      SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
7      SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
8      SS Stingray, Bomb hits 1      SS Stingray, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
9      SS Pike, Bomb hits 1      SS Pike, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
10     SS Salmon, Bomb hits 1      SS Salmon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
11     SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
12     SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
13     SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage      SS Snapper, Bomb hits 2,  heavy damage      SS Snapper, and is sunk
14     SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage      SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

15    SS Searaven, Bomb hits 2,  heavy damage
16    SS S-37, Bomb hits 2,  heavy damage
17    SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 2,  heavy damage
18    SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 2,  heavy damage
19    SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage    SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage
20    SS Seal, Bomb hits 1      SS Seal, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage
21    SS Shark, Bomb hits 3,  heavy damage
22    SS Saury, Bomb hits 1       SS Saury, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage
23    SS S-41, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage

24    SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 2
25    SS S-40, Bomb hits 1

   ---only 2 submarines not hit!!---


      DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1      DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
      DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 2,  heavy fires
      DD Pope, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
 ---- ONE DD NOT HIT!!!!!----

      AV Langley, Bomb hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      AVD Childs, Bomb hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1
      xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 1,  on fire      xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      xAP President Madison, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      xAP Don Esteban, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

      TK Gertrude Kellogg, Bomb hits 1,  on fire      TK Gertrude Kellogg, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 1
      TK Hai Kwang, Bomb hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      AS Canopus, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      AS Holland, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      ARD YFD-1 Dewey, Bomb hits 1,  on fire

      PT-31, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
      PT-34, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
      PT-32, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
      PT Q-113, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
      PT-41, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

      PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      PG Isabel, Bomb hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      ACM Colonel Harrison, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires

      xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1,  on fire      xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      xAK Cape Fairweather, Bomb hits 1
      xAK Tantalus, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      xAK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      xAK American Leader, Bomb hits 1
      xAK Yu Sang, Bomb hits 1,  on fire      xAK Yu Sang, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage

      xAKL Bisayas, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      xAKL Corregidor, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      xAKL Palawan, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      xAKL Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage

      YO-42, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
      YO-41, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

TENNO HEIKA BANZAI!
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 04:38:29 pm by Erkki »
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 04:50:58 pm »

Not the Gertrude Kellogg!!!!!!!! :O

Good times Erkki! :D
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 12:29:13 am »

The rest of the December 7 also went according to plans:


Burma: Ki-21s hit troops at Pegu near Rangoon and that will probably entice Roger to leave AVG in Burma for a couple of days, before he moves them to Sumatra, China or some other place. I doubt that he will keep them in Burma for long. Tomorrow the bombers will hit the troops along the coast to slow their retreat towards Moulmein.

Malaya: Alor Star's airfield was smashed - the Allies will likely move the damaged Blenheim and Hudson bombers away via railroad but they will be out for a couple of turns. Blenheims, Vildebeests and Hudsons attacked the Heavy Cover TF with BBs Kongo and Haruna, but failed to score a single hit. Ki-27s shot down multiple bombers and a Buffalo fighter(one pilot scoring 2 kills) and a Ki-27 was lost to gunner fire. Troops are on the beach and will take Kota Bharu tomorrow. IJNAF and IJAAF will hit Georgetown's airfield.

Philippines: see the previous post! First troops will land tomorrow, and bombers will hit Manila's port one more time to take out more of the cripples - the last thing I want is a submarine or 2 getting away because I gave them a week of repairs. After tomorrow there will be nothing but sweeps and bomber raids to Clark Fields. The Allied B-17s should be there, too, but not in flying condition. IJNAF should be able to bag at least a couple of them, and if they get railed to another base before they can leave Luzon, IJAAF aerial recon photographs every airfield on Luzon daily and will hopefully be able to keep track of them. I want them dead, too, but the submarines are the priority targets now. Kido Butai's Zero-CAP shot down a Catalina.

Hong Kong: IJAAF hit the airfield today and while a light bomber was lost, the field was hit well and at least 1 Walrus seaplane was destroyed. Just in case Roger forgets this place, bombers will hit the port tomorrow(we had a rule that Japanese will only attack 1 port on the first turn - otherwise I would have ordered all of Canton's bombers and the short-ranged Ki-48s from Formosa to hit Hong Kong's port and get all the dozen-ish merchants sitting there).

China: Nothing but troop movements yet. Air strikes were moderately effective.

Pacific: Tarawa invaded tomorrow, Nauru in 2 days.

Force Z: Probably in the Java Sea.

An Allied aircraft was spotted deep behind the action area, over Cam Ranh Bay, where the Japanese invasion fleet is gathering... This _could_ be a float plane from Prince of Wales or Repulse, as the floatplanes in Philippines cant fly that far, or it could have been a Catalina. G4Ms and G3Ms from Saigon found nothing, so most probably the latter.

I'll give you some screenshots today... or tomorrow.  ;)
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 08:38:13 am »

Oh, this seems really interesting. Posting to watch.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 09:07:59 am »

Can you sign me up to lead the Bay12 squadron? I think we all agree it need to be a IJNAF one.

Now, going to look at the other side's AAR.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 10:30:24 am »

Another pilot here requesting assignment to the bay12 navy squadron.
And hopefuly this player won't back out halfway through.
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Re: War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition PBEM #3
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 02:14:25 am »

Hmm.... I think we'll use CVL Shoho's Zero squadron. Shoho and CVE Hosho start the war in Japan but are now sailing South.

Its actually Ryujo that is in the Philippines and Zuiho sailing South. We'll use Zuiho!
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2012, 03:41:40 pm »

Zuiho-1. Pick your pilots! I'll report the turn 2 tomorrow or the day after.

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