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[tolkafox]

That is stupid. For starters, I can see someone wrestling with their legs, if not in the same way one would wrestle with their arms. Second, a game cannot figure out if something" makes sense." Third, a lot of what we would think makes no sense actually does. Fourth, DF runs on unrealism. Can you imagine a realistic magma forge, or dragon, or zombie? Fifth, if you just arbitrarily stripped out everything that doesn't" make sense," the game would have to figure out what to do, in a way that makes more sense. Sixth, that was the least of the arguments against Skyrim (or whatever) -esque graphics.

Yes, yes I can. I'm going to go build one and take pictures of it.

[GreatWyrmGold]

That is stupid. For starters, I can see someone wrestling with their legs, if not in the same way one would wrestle with their arms. Second, a game cannot figure out if something" makes sense." Third, a lot of what we would think makes no sense actually does. Fourth, DF runs on unrealism. Can you imagine a realistic magma forge, or dragon, or zombie? Fifth, if you just arbitrarily stripped out everything that doesn't" make sense," the game would have to figure out what to do, in a way that makes more sense. Sixth, that was the least of the arguments against Skyrim (or whatever) -esque graphics.

Yes, yes I can. I'm going to go build one and take pictures of it.

I'd like to see it.

Hm. That also begs the question of how the machine running the simulation is constantly "getting bigger"; unless our overlords often hit the Save button so they can shut it down then upgrade it.

It wouldn't surprise me.

We are, of course, assuming a computer with finite computing power, a potential fallacy in and of itself.

Which would be assuming a computer with infinite computing power would be possible - which I think is unlikely.
Even if there's an absolutely mind-bogglingly massive number of different Universes, very few of them would have the correct system of physics to make infinite computing power possible. But the one Universe that did fit the requirements would be the one 'hosting' our world, of course...

We're assuming we can understand the physics of the other world. Besides, anthropic principal.

[misko27]

That is stupid. For starters, I can see someone wrestling with their legs, if not in the same way one would wrestle with their arms. Second, a game cannot figure out if something" makes sense." Third, a lot of what we would think makes no sense actually does. Fourth, DF runs on unrealism. Can you imagine a realistic magma forge, or dragon, or zombie? Fifth, if you just arbitrarily stripped out everything that doesn't" make sense," the game would have to figure out what to do, in a way that makes more sense. Sixth, that was the least of the arguments against Skyrim (or whatever) -esque graphics.

Yes, yes I can. I'm going to go build one and take pictures of it.

Suuuuuuuure you are.

[Eric Blank]

That's gonna require a lot of insulation and one badass AC. Not to mention ventilation and oxygen pump.

[Darvi]

Convection shmonvection, real dorfs just take off their shirts.

[misko27]

Convection shmonvection, real dorfs just take off their shirts.

You volunteering? Go help out tolka.

I'll go rent a place in Hawaii.

[tolkafox]

All you gotta do is pump some magma into a furnace with metal ores, pressurize it nicely, then tap and mold.

I'm working on pumping the magma up now. Maybe I'll try out kickstarter so it won't take me my entire life to accomplish it. Magma: the other alternative fuel source.

[Eric Blank]

Again, the problem is mainly with dehydration and the toxic gas/low oxygen levels. Anyone working at a magma forge needs a rebreather with a drinking straw and a cooled hazard suit to survive. On top of that, someone would bitch that you expose workers to dangerous conditions without sufficient safety procedures/insurance benefits. You may in fact not be permitted to do it at all, depending on how socialist the local government intends to be.

[AutomataKittay]

Again, the problem is mainly with dehydration and the toxic gas/low oxygen levels. Anyone working at a magma forge needs a rebreather with a drinking straw and a cooled hazard suit to survive. On top of that, someone would bitch that you expose workers to dangerous conditions without sufficient safety procedures/insurance benefits. You may in fact not be permitted to do it at all, depending on how socialist the local government intends to be.

Wouldn't it depends on the lava outflow? Some places seems safer when it comes to that toxic gas issues. Heat's the killer, and there're silver suits to take care of the radiative heat, at least. For a bit, until you get too hot anyway! I don't think magma/lava retains enough heat to forge with anyway, unless you're pounding stone off things.

[misko27]

Again, the problem is mainly with dehydration and the toxic gas/low oxygen levels. Anyone working at a magma forge needs a rebreather with a drinking straw and a cooled hazard suit to survive. On top of that, someone would bitch that you expose workers to dangerous conditions without sufficient safety procedures/insurance benefits. You may in fact not be permitted to do it at all, depending on how socialist the local government intends to be.

Socialist asshole governments are always stopping us from performing highly dangerous experiments with no real value.

Bunch of damn Pussies.

Anyway, I'm sure it would be easier if you choose a exposed volcano, then channeled out some lava nearby when it was time to test. Surely some third-world country could lend you use of its volcano?

[AutomataKittay]

Again, the problem is mainly with dehydration and the toxic gas/low oxygen levels. Anyone working at a magma forge needs a rebreather with a drinking straw and a cooled hazard suit to survive. On top of that, someone would bitch that you expose workers to dangerous conditions without sufficient safety procedures/insurance benefits. You may in fact not be permitted to do it at all, depending on how socialist the local government intends to be.

Socialist asshole governments are always stopping us from performing highly dangerous experiments with no real value.

Bunch of damn Pussies.

Anyway, I'm sure it would be easier if you choose a exposed volcano, then channeled out some lava nearby when it was time to test. Surely some third-world country could lend you use of its volcano?

http://www.dolphinbayhilo.com/cook.html
Ask Hawaii?

[misko27]

Again, the problem is mainly with dehydration and the toxic gas/low oxygen levels. Anyone working at a magma forge needs a rebreather with a drinking straw and a cooled hazard suit to survive. On top of that, someone would bitch that you expose workers to dangerous conditions without sufficient safety procedures/insurance benefits. You may in fact not be permitted to do it at all, depending on how socialist the local government intends to be.

Socialist asshole governments are always stopping us from performing highly dangerous experiments with no real value.

Bunch of damn Pussies.

Anyway, I'm sure it would be easier if you choose a exposed volcano, then channeled out some lava nearby when it was time to test. Surely some third-world country could lend you use of its volcano?

http://www.dolphinbayhilo.com/cook.html
Ask Hawaii?

They might be upset about the sweat-shop-but-with-magma.

Also, that Oven is so dwarfy I need to go shave. There is Beard hair in my eyes.

[Zale]

Haven't videogames taught you people anything?

Magma only hurts when you touch it!

[Orange Wizard]

Haven't videogames taught you people anything?

Magma only hurts when you touch it!

So true.

[Archereon]

Okay, a few things about that simulation derail: A simulation of our universe wouldn't necessarily be infinite, in fact, it probably wouldn't have infinite computing power. In all likelyhood, if we're living in a simulation (which is still a huge if), there's arbitrary boundaries and failsafes that we haven't hit/triggered yet. Or maybe we have, and it crashed the universe, prompting God/whoever to hotfix the issue and restore to a recent backup.

Two examples of physical phenomena that could possibly be some of said boundaries are black holes' apparent destruction of information and the apparent upper limit of energy a particle can have, which could also exist to stop us from perturbing the false vacuum and destroying the universe, if the hypothetical simulated universe does indeed exist in a false vacuum.