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Author Topic: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?  (Read 3613 times)

bradr

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Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« on: October 10, 2012, 12:00:11 pm »

I was watching the Matrix Reloaded last night, while playing a game of Dwarf Fortress & also surfing the web during long periods letting my fortress do it's thing. 

Then I came across Toady's most recent update about vegetation, leaf cloud falling patterns, and acorns.  At the same time the movie came to the scene where Neo meets Agent Smith(s) in the park.  Some crows fly around, the wind picks up, and then the fight scene starts.

Meanwhile, in my fort I look down and see a brown "-" flying over my ramparts.  A couple of dworfs are sparring next to their barracks during the height of winter, and think to myself, "Oh, look at that sparrow flying over the fortifications."  I can almost picture the cold flakes of snow as they blanket the ground, the frozen banks of the river, and the frosted breath coming from the mouths my sparring dworfs.

Couple of things hit me then. 
1) I have no idea how Toady does all of this, but what he does is simply amazing.  There is so much going on in this game. I can't even comprehend how he keeps track of all the game's programming, but the level of detail and interaction is astounding. 
2) This game is quickly/has/will become a simulator for real life.  Not in all of life's complexities mind you, but certainly a very interesting microversion of what happens in our world.  I would almost think of it as a very primitive version of the Matrix.  Has anyone else ever thought along these lines?
3) My imagination is clearly in overdrive most of the time, so it is what it is.  However I cannot ever imagine this game going over to full graphical support, because of that very same imagination, pairing with the ASCII graphics, is what brings the world to distinct life for me.

Time for another cup of coffee...
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 01:27:29 pm »

Hehe, welcome to the forums. And its how alot of us feel. DF is incredibly deep game, i would even go as far as saying that it has the deepest gameplay yet. And yes, Toady plans on making this a megasimulator.


(Oh, and this is not really something viable for discussion, but i understand, i have loads of moments when i just want to share some random toughts with the world)
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 01:48:06 pm »

Mister Bradreson.

It seems you have been living two lives.  One life, you're Joe Q Bradreson, game player of a indie-produced software product.  You have a version number of up to 0.34.11 and play your fortresses or you maybe even... adventure around Dwarfworld, killing bandit leaders and other garbage.  The other life is lived outdoors, where you go by the name <redacted> and are guilty of every crime against the law of thermodynamics there is[1].  One of these lives has a future...  and so does the other, actually.

Enjoy.

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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 03:47:09 pm »

Hello Mr. Bradreson, we've been expecting you.

"There's way too much information to decode DF. You get used to it. I...I don't even see the code. All I see is Dwarf, sock, plump helmet, fire... Hey uh, I might grab some coffee too."


The wisdoms of DF and the matrix are practically interchangeable.

"Unfortunately, no one can be told what The Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself." ~ Dwarf Fortress

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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 04:08:50 pm »

What if toady just sends the simulator through us and our brains digest the 'features' then he recodes them making it infinitely more complex?
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 04:49:30 pm »

Then he'd die of starvation attempting to repair all the bugs our mental perceptions of the world produce. The average of so many flawed perceptions of reality? Irreparable. Attempting to precipitate out the misinformation and poorly-designed components would be impossible.
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 04:57:46 pm »

Then he'd die of starvation attempting to repair all the bugs our mental perceptions of the world produce. The average of so many flawed perceptions of reality? Irreparable. Attempting to precipitate out the misinformation and poorly-designed components would be impossible.
The terrifying part is if Toady succeeded - why, we'd have no way of finding out.

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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 07:05:57 pm »

After a while, you don't even see symbols. All I see is carpenter, goblin, bloody axe...
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 09:02:23 pm »

After a while, you don't even see symbols. All I see is carpenter, goblin, bloody axe...

Barrel of wine, barrel of ale, barrel of beer, effin' vermin.  Jeesus - look at all those cats!  Where the hell did them cats all come from!!! 

Caaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn'ttttttttttt moooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeee annnnnnnnyyyyymoooorr......

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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2012, 06:50:04 pm »

Hey, I've seen that cat before...

It's a glitch in the fortress! HIDE!
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 10:11:02 pm »

After a while, you don't even see symbols. All I see is carpenter, goblin, bloody axe...
Exactly.
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 10:14:28 pm »

I still see a grey smiley face :(
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 05:49:01 am »

Your computer only sees a bunch of ones and zeroes, so I guess that's still a massive improvement.
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 10:11:07 am »

Dwarf fortress isn't written in binary.
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Re: Is Toady making a Matrix-like construct?
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 11:31:30 am »

It is when you run it.
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