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[Neonivek]

I hope you all also remember that this isn't a game of balance.

Weapons, skills, and races are not balanced to eachother.

To what extent things need to be balanced is a question. Does ordinary medicine need to be preserved when next to magical alternatives?

The "Balance" should pertain to the enjoyment and playing of the game. Would the ability to recover from fatal injuries kill the game for you? Would it be so useful that you would not be able to play without it? Is it something you earned?

[GreatWyrmGold]

If mundane methods of healing were tossed out in favor of easy magical healing, doctors would be the new cheese makers and the game would lose some of its grittiness." Oh, Urist lost an arm? Send him to Cog McCleric, he'll be fighting greenskins in five minutes!"

[Neonivek]

If mundane methods of healing were tossed out in favor of easy magical healing, doctors would be the new cheese makers and the game would lose some of its grittiness." Oh, Urist lost an arm? Send him to Cog McCleric, he'll be fighting greenskins in five minutes!"

It depends on how common magic was.

As well you have to seperate Fortress from Adventure from Wizard mode as well.

Not to mention who says all magicians will also have healing magic sufficient to replace doctors?

As well if he lost an arm... the doctor isn't going to heal him anyway (they are kinda terrible at their job)

[GreatWyrmGold]

"If he lost an arm, a doctor isn't going to cure him anyways." Why, hello, point! What, he missed you? How sad.

As to your other points: those count as ways of balancing healing magic against mundane healing in my book. As long as either can be viable and neither is particularly superior, I'm happy.

[Neonivek]

"If he lost an arm, a doctor isn't going to cure him anyways." Why, hello, point! What, he missed you? How sad.

As to your other points: those count as ways of balancing healing magic against mundane healing in my book. As long as either can be viable and neither is particularly superior, I'm happy.

No the point is that even without healing magic... ordinary medicine is useless for the kinds of injuries you are talking about. Meaning it nerfed itself.

In fact medicine still is vital for the injuries you are not going to magic away... Stubbed toes for example.

[GreatWyrmGold]

"If he lost an arm, a doctor isn't going to cure him anyways." Why, hello, point! What, he missed you? How sad.

As to your other points: those count as ways of balancing healing magic against mundane healing in my book. As long as either can be viable and neither is particularly superior, I'm happy.

No the point is that even without healing magic... ordinary medicine is useless for the kinds of injuries you are talking about. Meaning it nerfed itself.

In fact medicine still is vital for the injuries you are not going to magic away... Stubbed toes for example.

My point was that if magic can heal any injury easily, without consequence, it takes the Fun out of Losing is Fun. And no one wants that.

[Neonivek]

Who says this takes away "losing is fun"?

Your soldiers are going to die, they are going to die on the boatload. Even the ones mortally wounded will die even with magic.

This is because this is a deadly game. You arn't healing hp that gets trickled away in battle. You are healing soldiers who survived the vanquished attack who also survive to be healed.

[GreatWyrmGold]

And you never have soldiers who lose arms or get severed nerves or die of infection? What mod are you playing and where can I find it?

[Candlejack]

My idea is magic can be used to make nervous system injuries (slowly)heal, reverse necrosis somewhat, remove syndromes, reduce nausea and pain, and hold somebody on the edge of death long enough for a doctor to staple them back together.

Darker magic could be used to zombify non-functioning body parts and "cure" necrosis. Maybe even zombify enemy busted limbs so they strangle themselves to death.

Regenerating lost parts is something I'd put under potion magic.

[5asdffdsa5]

i like that idea, but could magic also be used to cure venom

[Neonivek]

And you never have soldiers who lose arms or get severed nerves or die of infection? What mod are you playing and where can I find it?

I've never had a soldier who lost his arm survive even with medical attention.

By all means magic doesn't step on medicine's toes at all.

"could magic also be used to cure venom"

If you have the magic to cure venom... sure. Will it work on all venom? who knows.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Well, then magic which fixes limb loss would notably reduce DF's lethality if it was cheap/easy.

[Neonivek]

Well, then magic which fixes limb loss would notably reduce DF's lethality if it was cheap/easy.

No because magic won't be able to save them with 100% accuracy either because they will die before getting to your magician.

Dwarf Fortress is much too lethal for magical healing to even get close to making it "less lethal"

[GreatWyrmGold]

Well, then magic which fixes limb loss would notably reduce DF's lethality if it was cheap/easy.

No because magic won't be able to save them with 100% accuracy either because they will die before getting to your magician.

Dwarf Fortress is much too lethal for magical healing to even get close to making it "less lethal"

It depends on the lethal. Missing limbs? Maybe not. Infection? Ayup.
And you're assuming that magicians won't be sent to within magic-range of battle...

[Revanchist]

I think the idea of the wizard magic being tied to their deity is a good first step. That way, if the healer tries to heal when GodUrist McCrabby is in a bad mood he might just smite you for not paying well enough. This might need redefinement though. Also, they should need to be at least devout, or maybe a new category "zealous" worshipper of [DEITY]. Perhaps sufficiently advanced magi could still abandon their god and develop their own magic?