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[Telgin]

And also. Why can't my ponies make training weapons? Is this a feature or bug? The options simply do not exist at the carpenter's.

That would be because the item is probably missing from the pony entity file.  I don't remember the exact syntax, but compare it to the dwarven one from a vanilla install and you should see something about permitted items.  Find the ones for training weapons and copy them over.

Just to be clear though, there's really no need for them anymore, unless you just want them there for flavor.

[Dsarker]

And also. Why can't my ponies make training weapons? Is this a feature or bug? The options simply do not exist at the carpenter's.

That would be because the item is probably missing from the pony entity file.  I don't remember the exact syntax, but compare it to the dwarven one from a vanilla install and you should see something about permitted items.  Find the ones for training weapons and copy them over.

Just to be clear though, there's really no need for them anymore, unless you just want them there for flavor.

Or if you're trying to get more axes and you don't have any metal.

[Asssasin Asha]

And also. Why can't my ponies make training weapons? Is this a feature or bug? The options simply do not exist at the carpenter's.

That would be because the item is probably missing from the pony entity file.  I don't remember the exact syntax, but compare it to the dwarven one from a vanilla install and you should see something about permitted items.  Find the ones for training weapons and copy them over.

Just to be clear though, there's really no need for them anymore, unless you just want them there for flavor.

Well, tried that at some point, didn't work. Do I have to regen the world or what? Tried, nothing.
Never mind, I'm an idiot... Yes, you are right. Though aside from modifying the raws I have to re-generate the world. Only then it works. Main rule of modding... when in doubt, re-gen! Also, guess why the first re-gen didn't work?

Oh, and why do I need them? How else can I build relatively safe danger room? I need training spears to do it.
Unless of course there is other way to rapidly train military with this mod.
Yes, I am impatient, why do you ask?

[Telgin]

Oh, right.  I've never built a danger room, so that didn't occur to me.

Or if you're trying to get more axes and you don't have any metal.

Nor did this.  I keep forgetting you can cut down trees with a wooden axe just as well as a steel one.

In the future though, if you've got a world you like and don't want to have to regen for something minor like needing training spears or axes, you can replace an existing custom reaction to produce the item.  Just leave the reaction's identifier alone and replace its reagents and product with what you want.  It's less than ideal, but can work in a pinch.

[Asssasin Asha]

Yeah, I did not think of modifying a reaction.
On different note. Where can I actually find and plant sunflowers? It says any_tropical, but it doesn't work in tropical freshwater swamp. Well, not sure if they are not existent there, but I cannot plant them. Same in tropical shrubland and tropical conifer forest. Unless I don't understand something. Obviously, I am an idiot... I could not plant them because I did not collect them! Ordering all ponies to gather plants from an area quickly remedied the problem. Which is strange for in other fort I did have an option to plant winter lettuce despite not having neither the plant nor its seeds. Though it was growing around.

Also

Edit: I compared it to the cave wheat entry, and looks like this line is missing:

   [MILL:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:MILL]

I don't have time to test that this morning before work, but I suspect that's the problem.

You are correct with that. Adding this line will enable the potatoes to be milled, thus generating spawns and enabling further planting. And you don't even need to re-gen.

[taliakirana]

Assassin Asha, thanks for pointing how to fix the bugged fleece interaction. Now if only we could puzzle out why the extract color options won't work.... I really wanted to make rainbow dye, not import it.

[Putnam]

Assassin Asha, thanks for pointing how to fix the bugged fleece interaction. Now if only we could puzzle out why the extract color options won't work.... I really wanted to make rainbow dye, not import it.

post 'em, let me see 'em.

[zlurker]

Dumb question but how do you process silk roses? Kind of want to make stuff at my clothiers but it's hard to without being able to grind them up.

[Asssasin Asha]

Dumb question but how do you process silk roses? Kind of want to make stuff at my clothiers but it's hard to without being able to grind them up.

They are processed at farmer's workshop by "Process plants" command. You get thread and seeds. Thread can then be processed in loom to get silk cloth. It's automatic, so you should watch out if you need silk thread for some reason.

Assassin Asha, thanks for pointing how to fix the bugged fleece interaction. Now if only we could puzzle out why the extract color options won't work.... I really wanted to make rainbow dye, not import it.

Now this. Well for starters in reactions_weather.txt the last option from the manual (9. Extract rainbow juice from rainbow) doesn't work because the reaction [REACTION:DISTILL_RAINBOW_JUICE] lacks name and building tags. Adding them correctly allows to generate jugs of rainbow juice. Not a big improvement, considering that I still can't use this juice to extract colors at extrapolator. Still red...

And again, edit.
I just noticed that the game generates lots of errors in the error logs. Namely

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*** Error(s) found in the file "raw/objects/creature_pony_pony_NEW.txt"
Unrecognized Skill Token: MECHANICSS   - several... dozens? hundreds? Lots of those anyway
*** Error(s) finalizing the creature PONY_LITTLE
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS1
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS2
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS3
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS4
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS5
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS6
Unrecognized Color Token: CM_MECHANICS7


Anyway, I think what's to be done here is go to the file creature_pony_pony_NEW.txt and change all MECHANICSS into MECHANICS and all those CM_MECHANICS1 (and other numbers) into CM_MECHANIC1 (and other numbers). At least that's what stopped those errors for me.

Still trying to figure out this stupid rainbow.

It's funny, how the gasses being produced in rainbow refractor are harmless to non-pegasi. I made a rainbow without the feathered ones. Nopony's hurt.

[Asssasin Asha]

Yes, I am double posting, but this is important enough to let it slide, I hope.
I figured out the rainbows! Got myself some dye! YAY!

Okay, here's what to do. Step by step. In spoilers for space.

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What we want to do first id open the inorganic_rainbow.txt file and go to the very bottom. There we want to see this:

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[INORGANIC:RAINBOW_JUICE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:JUICE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:5]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:0:1]
[STATE_COLOR:SOLID:RAINBOW]
[STATE_NAME:SOLID:rainbow juice]
[STATE_ADJ:SOLID:rainbow juice]
[STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:RAINBOW]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:rainbow juice]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:rainbow juice]
[STATE_COLOR:GAS:RAINBOW]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:rainbow juice vapors]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:rainbow juice vapor]
Notice those three:
[STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:RAINBOW]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:rainbow juice]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:rainbow juice]
I added these lines to the original file. It is basically cosmetic change. Thanks to that it will show the "rainbow juice" properly in the reaction window in game. Without those three it will only say "juice".This change will work only after regen!

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This will be redundant to my previous post, but I want it here for clarity.
We want to go to the reaction_weather.txt file and go to the very bottom. Now, we want to see this:

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[REACTION:DISTILL_RAINBOW_JUICE]
[NAME:(9)extract rainbow juice from rainbow]
[BUILDING:PONY_RAINBOW_REFRACTOR:CUSTOM_J]
[REAGENT:rainbow:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_RAINBOW_COMPLETE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[REAGENT:jug:1:TOOL:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][DOES_NOT_ABSORB][PRESERVE_REAGENT][HAS_TOOL_USE:LIQUID_CONTAINER][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:RAINBOW_JUICE][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:jug]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:CLOUDS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:20:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:RED_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:20:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:ORANGE_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:20:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:YELLOW_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:20:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:GREEN_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:20:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:BLUE_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[PRODUCT:20:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:INDIGO_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]In original version those lines:
[NAME:(9)extract rainbow juice from rainbow]
[BUILDING:PONY_RAINBOW_REFRACTOR:CUSTOM_J]
do not exist at all. Adding them will create a new job in rainbow refractor, called "extract rainbow juice from rainbow". We need an empty jug for it that will be filled with said juice.

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Now is the most crucial part. The extraction reactions themselves. Also in reaction_weather.txt file. Take a look.

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[REACTION:EXTRACT_COLOR_FROM_RAINBOW_RED]
[NAME:extract red color from rainbow]
[BUILDING:PONY_RAINBOW_WORKSHOP:CUSTOM_R]
[REAGENT:rainbow juice:1:GLOB:NONE:INORGANIC:RAINBOW_JUICE:NONE:NONE]
[REAGENT:jug:1:TOOL:NONE:NONE:NONE][CONTAINS:rainbow juice][DOES_NOT_ABSORB][PRESERVE_REAGENT][HAS_TOOL_USE:LIQUID_CONTAINER][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[REAGENT:water:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:WATER:NONE]
[REAGENT:bucket:1:BUCKET:NONE:NONE:NONE][CONTAINS:water][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:RED_SOLID][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:300][PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:jug]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:RED_GAS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
Now the changes.
First of all, in reagents we do not want the LIQUID_MISC item token for rainbow juice. We want GLOB. Why? I don't know. It should be LIQUID_MISC but for some reason the last reaction in rainbow refractor produces GLOB type. Even when it's set to LIQUID_MISC. I think this is the main reason it did not work.
The second thing is that we do not want [PRESERVE_REAGENT] token for rainbow juice. It creates problems when we make several extractions at once. The first one will work but if the jug with the color is not moved away then the next one will use the same jug and produce nothing. We want to lose the juice in the process. We can always extract it again in the refractor. We do not lose rainbow itself after all.
Then we want to change [CONTAINS: rainbow] to [CONTAINS: rainbow juice] for the jug. While it works without a change for me, I am not sure if it was just blind luck.
Also for some reason this particular reaction did not have [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:300] in the product section. Though I don't think it makes any difference.
And now just take that entire reaction and repeat it for every color.

And that's it! Now you can extract the color. Then make it into dye which will be put into bag. Then you can use it to dye your threads and cloths. Just remember that one bag of dye will allow you to dye one thread/cloth. I am not aware whether or not this is correct. I never ventured into dyeing branch when playing vanilla DF so I got nothing to compare here.
Now all we need to do is to make the clouds from the manufacture process hurt non-pegasi. I think we might want to use the symptoms and all that, though I'm not sure how it works yet. I might sit to try this if we agree on the symptoms. As in, inhale and hurt lungs or burn skin on contact if not pegasi. That stuff.
Cheers!

[Hetairos]

Just remember that one bag of dye will allow you to dye one thread/cloth. I am not aware whether or not this is correct. I never ventured into dyeing branch when playing vanilla DF so I got nothing to compare here.

I think it's 1 unit of dye/1 thread or cloth. Bags seem to contain up to 10 units of dye.

[Asssasin Asha]

I think it's 1 unit of dye/1 thread or cloth. Bags seem to contain up to 10 units of dye.

Hmm... well from the reaction it doesn't seem like it. Not with those numbers. And it actually makes only one unit per bag. I will try different number combos. Unless only one dye/bag is a desired effect. Thanks for info, though. I am genuinely not aware of those amounts. Dunno why, but never even tried dyeing...
Still, even if somewhat impaired... we have dye!

Edit: Well, at this moment bumping up the number at

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[PRODUCT:100:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:INORGANIC:RED_DYESeems to give more dyes. When I changed this 1 to 10 it produced a bag with 10 units of dye. And then dyeing uses them one at a time. So you would have to change that in every reaction of making dye. I can't really think of something better now. A bit too late for that.
So with that, I'm off! Goodnight!

[zlurker]

Dumb question but how do you process silk roses? Kind of want to make stuff at my clothiers but it's hard to without being able to grind them up.

They are processed at farmer's workshop by "Process plants" command. You get thread and seeds. Thread can then be processed in loom to get silk cloth. It's automatic, so you should watch out if you need silk thread for some reason.

Thanks. This stuff should really be on the manual. D: Also does anybody know how strong ironwool is? Usually mods describe the relative protection level but I couldn't find anything to indicate the amount. The components make me want to assume it's perhaps slightly weaker than normal iron but lighter due to being part wool.
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Edit: Welp, I tried to use process plant to mill the silk roses but it didn't work. Even tried using the process to x ones and nothing happened. Going to try a millstone and see if that solves it.

[Asssasin Asha]

Edit: Welp, I tried to use process plant to mill the silk roses but it didn't work. Even tried using the process to x ones and nothing happened. Going to try a millstone and see if that solves it.

I believe there has been some misunderstanding. Silk roses are not millable. You can only process them at farmer's workshop. It gives you thread and seeds. Seeds can only be planted again and thread is used in clothing. That's all. Perhaps you mean some other plant?
As for ironwool, I looked at the raws and it is quite interesting. The entire part about yield, stress and all that, is copied straight form iron. About the only change is a bit smaller density and some missing/not_needed_here tags. So it would appear that ironwool possesses the defensive qualities of iron while being a bit lighter.
And it is, interestingly enough, a type of leather, not a cloth or metal. Main template is taken from fleece, which means it acts as leather and you can make normal leather items out of it. You know, cloaks, dresses, backpacks, the works. Though I don't see an option to make armor. Ponies probably don't use it.
And if I understand correctly, it will have the same/similar defensive properties as objects made of iron. Though it is heavier than normal leather/fleece clothing. Density of fleece is 450 while ironwool is 6500 and iron is 7850.
Of course, I might be wrong, since I'm new to modding, so it would be preferable if someone more knowledgeable could confirm/deny my hypothesis.

[Hetairos]

I haven't got to dyeing in the mod yet, so I'm not certain how do things work there. But I checked my vanilla fortress to make sure I got the numbers right, and yeah. 1 dye/1 thread or cloth, and [10] is the largest stack of dye appearing in the stocks screen.

There is an option to make ironwool armour at the magic loom, as well as barding. However, item_armor_pony.txt lists padding [ARMORLEVEL:1] and mail barding [ARMORLEVEL:2], and I don't know which one refers to which.

About dyeing itself: it can increase the value of cloth several times at high quality levels, so it's quite worthwhile if you want more valuable clothing.