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[Tiruin]

Ai, RL.

Unvote.

Will return in ~3 hours as busy @ work.

[Toaster]

Okay, so it's a doublevote.

Hapah:

Toaster: What do you plan to do, now that you know you have a doublevote? Is it permanent?

Business as usual, I guess.  No idea if it's permanent.

My vote, though, will rest on Tolyk. His flavor makes me nervous, and he doesn't have a real post for the day (a little pot and kettle on that last one, I know). I can only make the lynch on UI or Tolyk, and given that UI just replaced in and appears to be active the choice is an easy one.

Would either of those make him voteworthy on its own?


Shakerag:

Did you get any overnight message that would possibly indicate a clue?

Nope.


Deathsword:

Toaster:

Deathsword:  Considering your question to Tiruin, how important is finding scum via flavor in comparison to traditional scumhunting?

Considering BMC's flavour, how it said he was good at infiltration, and his flip, I'd say that it might play a part in scumhunting. But I think traditional scumhunting is still going to be the main way of finding the spies.

Okay.

Given Tiruin answered your question, is he still voteworthy?


Urist I:

Hapah: Now that you're feeling better, who do you suspect? Why?

Was this vote more than pressure?



Since TolyK acts like he wants to hang, he can go ahead and do so.

TolyK:  Why are you voting Dariush for being "unhelpful" while you continue to do the same thing?

[Tiruin]

Toaster

Okay, so it's a doublevote.

What else did you see it could have been?

Also, Why does one name in red = two counts in the votecount?
Deathsword

PPE: UI: My gut feeling says not to trust him, but I can't find anything that would indicate him being scum. Currently waiting to see what he has to say about my answer to him a few posts back.

Why should you trust me? To humor my question, why shouldn't you?

TolyK

Right, he replaced Powder Miner, who was acting scummy before (bandwagoning mostly), so it makes sense. He's still defending himself from that, though UI is more cool about it.
Dariush, as UI pointed out, is still being his unhelpful self.

Define unhelpful - if it relates to the person's mannerisms, it doesn't necessarily say they are scum (so says me from playing with Dariush a lot).

It seems like a tie? Hm. Why are people voting Imiknorris?

Why are you so concerned about him?

[Jim Groovester]

Tiruin:The quotes you asked. Spoiled to keep it organized.

Spoiler: BMC's speculation based on Jim's question, and my question as to why he was coy (click to show/hide)

Back to BMC:

blackmagechill:

blackmagechill:  If you were a miller, would you claim in your first post?

HMM, that's a good question, along with a bit of rolefishing in there. Curious? I'd probably claim pretty early, because its in my best interest to not seem suspicious and not waste town inspects and/or lynches on myself. Early claiming also keeps people from calling you out on claiming to avoid a lynch after your scumbuddy got in trouble.

I wouldn't tend to consider miller status rolefishing accusation worthy. Why so coy about this?

Just generally being a coy person and an eagerness to get out of RVS, really. This is probably the worst stage in the game because it doesn't reveal much information unless noobscum cracks under a vote.

@Jim: The movie involved Brad Pitt leading a gang of sociopaths across Nazi Occupied France to commit as many war crimes as possible, and his victims were usually scalped or had swastikas carved into their foreheads. The better part of the group was killed in a bar fight in a basement after a british spy blew their cover by using the English three hand gesture (index, middle, ring) as opposed to the german one (index, middle, thumb) the remainder of the group blows up a movie theater with hitler in it.

So American SKs, or two teams of spies unable to contact each other. But most likely american SKs.

What makes you so sure the reference to the movie at the thread title has anything to do with the presence of SKs, and American ones at that?

Do you have any reason to be coy about claiming? Are you, perhaps, hiding something?

Spoiler: BMC acting with what looks like anger when answering my question (click to show/hide)

@DeathSword: Oh, its oddly coy to be looking for signs of scummy behavior right out of the gate? I'm sorry, I guess I'll go back to asking people about their choices between two horribly flawed thought systems. What is wrong with looking for tells from the first few posts, and what, specifically with that off handed halfucasation (that's a portmanteau of half and accusation that I just made up, for clarity reasons)?

Spoiler: Then he (fake)claims his role despite the only claiming going on was flavour (click to show/hide)

What is odd is that you are coy about it, as you said you were.

A quick look at [ur=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coyl]Wikitionary[/url] provided the following meaning to the word:

Reluctant to give details about something sensitive

So, why are you coy?

I've been using that word wrong for quite a while it seems. I was thinking of it as being a bit more synonymous with shrewd or suspicious. I tossed out my flavor claim, and for those interested, I am a vanilla townie. My role and stuff is scattered throughout my posts, but, admittedly, still there.

Spoiler: I then asked a few questions, but he disappeared for the rest of the day and was lynched and those questions were left unasnwered. (click to show/hide)

BMC:

for those interested, I am a vanilla townie. My role and stuff is scattered throughout my posts, but, admittedly, still there.

Why are you claiming your role now? Are you trying to make the kill-roles target someone else by saying you have no powers at all?

Dariush: What are you voting Hapah for? He was chainsawing for Jim, but just sticking his name in all caps in a vote post is a bit weird.

How is Dariush chainsawing Hapah? And how is Hapah chainsawing Jim?

DeathSword: Since you seem to be interested in my SK idea, do you think there are any third parties?

I am currently unsure if there are third parties or not. I couldn't find any indication on the flavour for it.

The latter two spoilers have nothing to do with the first two. How do these quotes support the idea that BMC was defending his speculation as if that was what he actually thought?

Maybe because they don't, and you were just making crap up.

Right, he replaced Powder Miner, who was acting scummy before (bandwagoning mostly), so it makes sense. He's still defending himself from that, though UI is more cool about it.
Dariush, as UI pointed out, is still being his unhelpful self.

The hell for?

That was damned lazy of you.

As you wish.

As you wish.

TolyK.

[TolyK]

Oh wow, this is fun!
Now, let's look at the responses. So far I count 5 votes.

My vote, though, will rest on Tolyk. His flavor makes me nervous, and he doesn't have a real post for the day (a little pot and kettle on that last one, I know). I can only make the lynch on UI or Tolyk, and given that UI just replaced in and appears to be active the choice is an easy one.

No questions to me, just a solid argument.
{third vote}

TolyK: Bullshit. Dariush is always unhelpful, as you yourself admitted. So why are you voting him for it?

I'm not even sure. What would a sniper be doing with a bottle of perfume?

As you wish.

Are you serious? Are just going to be apathic towards the game by posting things such as "Post" and the quote above?

If you are not going to play the game, TolyK, and instead insist with this apathy, then maybe you should think about what you are doing here.

"Post" was a bad joke. "As you wish" was to Dariush.
{fourth vote}

TolyK: Elaborate on how exactly you're feeling Dariush is being unhelpful.  Also, are you a jester or something?  Because it looks like you're not taking this terribly seriously.

I wasn't able to look much through it, but I read how he was voting someone for insulting him - that gets you nowhere. No, I'm not actually, that would be odd in this situation.
{didn't vote}

Tolyk:

As you wish.

What is this?

{didn't vote}

Since TolyK acts like he wants to hang, he can go ahead and do so.
TolyK:  Why are you voting Dariush for being "unhelpful" while you continue to do the same thing?

Can't really answer that, because I was away for oog reasons, and now I don't quite know what is going on - I grabbed the first straw I saw.
{first to vote, has 2 votes}

TolyK

Right, he replaced Powder Miner, who was acting scummy before (bandwagoning mostly), so it makes sense. He's still defending himself from that, though UI is more cool about it.
Dariush, as UI pointed out, is still being his unhelpful self.

Define unhelpful - if it relates to the person's mannerisms, it doesn't necessarily say they are scum (so says me from playing with Dariush a lot).

It seems like a tie? Hm. Why are people voting Imiknorris?

Why are you so concerned about him?

1. Answered this above.
2. I wasn't concerned about him, I was concerned about why people were voting him - whether it was based on something or not.
{didn't vote}

Right, he replaced Powder Miner, who was acting scummy before (bandwagoning mostly), so it makes sense. He's still defending himself from that, though UI is more cool about it.
Dariush, as UI pointed out, is still being his unhelpful self.

The hell for?

That was damned lazy of you.

As you wish.

As you wish.

TolyK.

That was lazy of me, I agree. I couldn't find anything fast other than this.
{fifth vote}

Hm. I'll be honest and say that I didn't quite get much information from that.

[Tiruin]

TolyK: Why are you counting votes- wait, why are you pointing out who voted you and who didn't when addressing them?

TolyK: Bullshit. Dariush is always unhelpful, as you yourself admitted. So why are you voting him for it?

I'm not even sure. What would a sniper be doing with a bottle of perfume?

Wat.

He had perfume? How do you know this?...

"Post" was a bad joke. "As you wish" was to Dariush.

Why do you joke at this time? Wait, worded that wrong. Why do you joke when LNCP was being very serious?

Also...just what are you getting at by your last sentences?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Toaster:

Urist I:

Hapah: Now that you're feeling better, who do you suspect? Why?

Was this vote more than pressure?

Not really. It was an incentive for him to get his head back in the game.

Jim:

That was damned lazy of you.

As you wish.

As you wish.

TolyK.

That's what, the second time today you've made a lazy vote with the exact same justification as a previous voter?

TolyK:

TolyK: Bullshit. Dariush is always unhelpful, as you yourself admitted. So why are you voting him for it?

I'm not even sure. What would a sniper be doing with a bottle of perfume?

Target practice? Although where did you get the bottle of perfume?

No, I'm not actually, that would be odd in this situation.

There's a situation where taking a game of Mafia seriously would look odd? Also, why do you care about looking odd?

Hm. I'll be honest and say that I didn't quite get much information from that.

What sort of information were you expecting?

[Hapah]

What's all this about perfume, Tolyk?

[Dariush]

Dariush: I meant when you were defending your vote to Tiruin. You could easily have said "I had an actual case on him you gaping shitlord, can't you read" but instead you asked if voting him, and I quote, "in response to a lazy scum calling me an imbecile without any reason," was an OMGUS.

Wrong. Tiruin specifically asked about it being OMGUS in response to an insult. I specifically answered that my 'vote' in response to the insult wasn't an OMGUS. My 'vote' also was in response to the other crap IO did, but I didn't bring it up because the initial question didn't concern it.

The correct answer is yes, it is. Practically the definition of the "Oh My God U Suck" vote. You voted him in response to his personal insult. You don't even have the excuse of an ad hominem attack, because he said he was reading you as town at the same time.

'Excuse of an ad hominem attack'? How does that even work.

Oh wow, this is fun!
vomit

Is that an attempt at 'I tried to imitate Nuke by intentionally being scummy as all fuck and then magically discovered scum by analyzing how people voted me' gambit I see?

[Tiruin]

Is that an attempt at 'I tried to imitate Nuke by intentionally being scummy as all fuck and then magically discovered scum by analyzing how people voted me' gambit I see?

Explain?

[Toaster]

Tiruin:

Toaster

Okay, so it's a doublevote.

What else did you see it could have been?

Also, Why does one name in red = two counts in the votecount?

You pretty much answered your own question- I didn't know if the votes were separate or together.


TolyK:  Are you seriously trying to pass your crap off as the Solifuge Strategy?  (PPE:  Hi Dariush!  Why yes, I believe it is.)

Here's the thing- even if you're being honest about your intentions (I doubt it) you still say that...

I'll be honest and say that I didn't quite get much information from that.

Okay.  Where's your replacement hunting then?  Nowhere?  You just post your lame attempt at a phony hunt then go twiddle your thumbs.  Scum move.

[Tiruin]

Ok, I may be misunderstanding a few things here...but where did TolyK say what he was doing except post just for the sake of posts and count how many people were attacking him?

Okay.  Where's your replacement hunting then?  Nowhere?  You just post your lame attempt at a phony hunt then go twiddle your thumbs.  Scum move.

Why are you talking about UI in relation to TolyK's large post of numbers, one-sided replies and curly brackets?

@TolyK: I don't see where your 'See above' relates to Dariush and if you're using the power of inferring to give me an idea of what you're saying, then why not just say it with the usual brevity?

Spoiler: On a really unrelated note... (click to show/hide)

Yay images! 

[Toaster]

Tiruin:  Um.  Did you miss this post?

And where did I mention UI?

[Tiruin]

I was under the impression he was putting stuff down for us to interpret. Something I, personally, can't get. Hence my question to him.

Also...Replacement = UI? I guess he's doing some kind of scumhunting in his reply there, but...

When one spots perfume in an SS camp...

[Toaster]

Putting down stuff for us to interpret is the height of laziness.  If his goal was to generate attention, it's up to him to analyze it, especially if that's all he's doing.

Speaking of all he's doing, when I said "replacement scumhunting," I meant actual scumhunting to replace for his failed attempt to hunt scum via acting like an idiot.  Nothing to do with game replacement.