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[TolyK]

Okay, that makes sense.
Bookthras, last time to claim.

[Bookthras]

Okay, that makes sense.
Bookthras, last time to claim.

Oh, shut up. All three of you (Jim, Irony, TolyK).

At this point, the only ones I'm pretty close to sure are town are Hapah and Tiruin, since both actioned on me at the same night and neither was a kill, and their claims/actions seem consistent. I still think Jim is scummy, Irony is suspect on his claim to have noactioned while he was seen moving by TolyK, or TolyK may be lying to implicate him. Neither is clear.

So, let's leave it up to Tiruin and Hapah to decide who should be lynched.

By my action to decree this, it should be clear I really can't be scum (since I can do this, reflected Hapah, and have claimed a revive; that's clearly a survivor role), however if you both think I should be lynched to test the revive thing, I'll go along with it. On the other hand, I have cleared up the battlefield a bit so you guys may try to actually lynch some scum.

[Bookthras]

Oh, forgot to add: Unvote. Let's see what you guys come up with first.

[Hapah]

Jesus H Christ Book, just claim your actions. I'm trying to piece together what the hell is going on, and I need more information. Since you think I'm town, fucking work with me on this.

Can you answer, or offer any insight, into ANY of the below?

-Was whatever caused the clusterfuck N2 a reflect, or randomization? It's a reflect, then?
-I'm guessing it had a percent chance? Can you post the wording?
-Did it do anything N3?
-Did you do anything that could have caused the Tolyk/IO contradiction N3?

[Bookthras]

Since you think I'm town, fucking work with me on this.

You're town, but I'm not: I'm a survivor, and the town seems pretty screwed, so it behooves my win condition not to antagonise the scum too much (unless they're trying to kill me - survival comes first), so if I'm cagey it's because it's required. I just want the game over with me alive as soon as possible; lynching me, burning my revive and going into night with still six people is not conducive to that end.

Let's instead lynch someone who will actually die; let's hope for town's sake it's a scum, but if not, that also works for me.

Can you answer, or offer any insight, into ANY of the below?

-Was whatever caused the clusterfuck N2 a reflect, or randomization? It's a reflect, then?
-I'm guessing it had a percent chance? Can you post the wording?
-Did it do anything N3?
-Did you do anything that could have caused the Tolyk/IO contradiction N3?

In order: a) that's what I said; b) no; c) can't say; d) no.


On other things, not game related: wuba: please Extend or mod-extend the game to Wednesday, as Tuesday is election day in the US, and those of the American persuasion amongst us may be off to do some actual voting instead of voting in here. It'd be nice if they didn't have to worry about this game ending without their input while they are standing in line for their civic duty.

 (oh, and a vote count please)

[Tiruin]

TolyK

TolyK

That might be a good idea, yeah. But I'm worried about Hapah's ability...

You're worried about everything.

Where is your anything to help you fix your worries?

What? I don't understand this question.

TolyK states he's worried about Hapah's ability. TolyK does nothing about it but state it.

Like I said, why are you worried about it. Nice long post, missed that note.

Also...

The most scummy imo are Irony and Book. It seems that he's firm in his decision to stay silent, so I'll vote Bookthras as well when Hapah answers my question.

Wut.

Blue is not a vote. Your claim doesn't make blue a vote. You FoS'd me and Book, but haven't voted at all before this. And then-

Okay, that makes sense.
Bookthras, last time to claim.

Oh.

Still, why did you vote only now?


Bookthras

Oh, forgot to add: Unvote. Let's see what you guys come up with first.

Why the unvote?

Dude, all we're asking is your claim. Perhaps the Mod has told you that you can't claim at all, in a sensible way as your restriction, aye? If you can't answer this straight, state a limerick for a yes and a single word for a no along with quoting this sentence...

Confusing hard.

By my action to decree this, it should be clear I really can't be scum (since I can do this, reflected Hapah, and have claimed a revive; that's clearly a survivor role), however if you both think I should be lynched to test the revive thing, I'll go along with it. On the other hand, I have cleared up the battlefield a bit so you guys may try to actually lynch some scum.

Because I can't get this at all :/

You have a revive. Ok. If you get lynched - nothing lost but a +1 life. You can reflect, seems so as Hapah targeted you (doesn't explain how I also targeted you if I targeted Hapah - magnet ability?)

Why can't you say if you did anything N3...when you did state that you "hid"? In prose form, may I point that out.

Also, survivor or not...you can be a Watcher and there is no way that can be proven but your word.


Going to continue this ~3 hours from now. Busy at work. Just want to drop this 'cause probable extend.

[Hapah]

Expecting anything special from the votecount, Book? I was about to get to business about laying down a case, but if there's something odd coming I'd like to save the time, lol.

[webadict]

Jim Groovester may no longer vote.

IronyOwl may no longer vote.

TolyK may no longer vote.

Votes Reset.

Vote Count
------------------------
IronyOwl -
Bookthras -
Hapah -
Tiruin -
TolyK -
Jim Groovester -
No Lynch -

Not Voting - Hapah, Tiruin, Bookthras,

2 To Hammer. Day Ends Tuesday 9 PM Central.

[Tiruin]

...What the F-

BOOKTHRAS, TELL US WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE HIDING.

Damned hammer limits.

[Tiruin]

EBWOP:

Expecting anything special from the votecount, Book? I was about to get to business about laying down a case, but if there's something odd coming I'd like to save the time, lol.

What did you do with the votecount?

[Tiruin]

I wish they fixed the preview button.

EBWOP ONCE MORE.

Since you think I'm town, fucking work with me on this.

You're town, but I'm not: I'm a survivor, and the town seems pretty screwed, so it behooves my win condition not to antagonise the scum too much (unless they're trying to kill me - survival comes first), so if I'm cagey it's because it's required. I just want the game over with me alive as soon as possible; lynching me, burning my revive and going into night with still six people is not conducive to that end.

Let's instead lynch someone who will actually die; let's hope for town's sake it's a scum, but if not, that also works for me.

Explain the orange lines, Bookthras.

If you were a survivor - why would the scum try to kill you? Also, if you were a survivor, why the cyclic thinking?

[Bookthras]

What did you do with the votecount?

I did what I said I did, but you called "confusing hard, can't get it at all". Read it again:

Okay, that makes sense.
Bookthras, last time to claim.

Oh, shut up. All three of you (Jim, Irony, TolyK).

So, let's leave it up to Tiruin and Hapah to decide who should be lynched.

By my action to decree this, it should be clear I really can't be scum (since I can do this, reflected Hapah, and have claimed a revive; that's clearly a survivor role). [...] On the other hand, I have cleared up the battlefield a bit so you guys may try to actually lynch some scum.

See?

Oh, forgot to add: Unvote. Let's see what you guys come up with first.

Why the unvote?

Didn't know whether the votes would reset when I shoved the nuisances aside. If they hadn't, then your vote on Irony plus mine would be hammer; I didn't want to end the day, I wanted to give you two guys a chance to firm up your minds.

If you can't answer this straight, state a limerick for a yes and a single word for a no along with quoting this sentence...

     I'll instead unask
your very naive question
     with a mu haiku

You have a revive. Ok. If you get lynched - nothing lost but a +1 life.

Silly, that's a big loss for a survivor! Especially if Hapah decides to fire his doomsday device... I don't know what it does, but I'd prefer to have my revive intact just in case.

Also, survivor or not...you can be a Watcher and there is no way that can be proven but your word.

Think about it: a watcher would like the game to go on longer, and days without lynches are good for a watcher. I on the other hand want someone to actually die, so we come closer to resolution sooner. That makes me more likely a survivor than a watcher, yes?  Plus look at what you know of my role: hiding, removing votes, revives... there's a pretty strong survivor feel to it, yes?


About your other questions and Hapah's, I'll say this for the last time: I have claimed all I intend to claim. Deal with it. I have cleared the battlefield so you two can decide the lynch today - stop talking about me, and talk about finding scum and voting them so we can move on. Between the two of you you can lynch anyone you want. If by tomorrow you haven't come to a consensus and there is a 1-1 tie, I'll pick one of your targets and hammer them. That's all the help you're going to get.

It's up to you. Now get to it.

[Tiruin]

What did you do with the votecount?

I did what I said I did, but you called "confusing hard, can't get it at all". Read it again:

Okay, that makes sense.
Bookthras, last time to claim.

Oh, shut up. All three of you (Jim, Irony, TolyK).

So, let's leave it up to Tiruin and Hapah to decide who should be lynched.

By my action to decree this, it should be clear I really can't be scum (since I can do this, reflected Hapah, and have claimed a revive; that's clearly a survivor role). [...] On the other hand, I have cleared up the battlefield a bit so you guys may try to actually lynch some scum.

See?

...It was in past tense and nothing happened before that.

So I guess you're trying to tell me that you did it when you're not explicitly saying you did it. And the wording in-context...

Meaning...either you've a restriction on giving straight information, or you're just playing with us.

If you can't answer this straight, state a limerick for a yes and a single word for a no along with quoting this sentence...

     I'll instead unask
your very naive question
     with a mu haiku

...Nevermind that.

Ok, so what we know of Book isn't his stubbornness. It's the restriction brought about by Ye Webadict.

Dude, all we're asking is your claim. Perhaps the Mod has told you that you can't claim at all, in a sensible way as your restriction, aye? If you can't answer this straight, state a limerick for a yes and a single word for a no along with quoting this sentence...

Spoiler: What restriction? (click to show/hide)

Jim:

Bookthras, all we need now is you to partially claim and complete this farce.

It will be my pleasure:

I am Bruce, Chief Research Poet of the University of Woolamaloo, and I am a Survivor.

When I sent the role, I was sort of going for a new thing: a posting restriction involving rhymes or something like that, and said as much to Wuba; I've never played a posting restriction before, and I wanted to try my hand at it. But he rightly pointed out that posting restrictions are the opposite of fun, and that if I had to rhyme too often it would get old really quickly and would probably just get me lynched regardless of anything else. He instead made me a Survivor, with the most cowardly role I've ever seen. That'll teach me.

As to my powers, they are pretty cowardly, and basically involve several ways of me hiding. I guess that's the reason Hapah's Deity thing didn't hit, as I was hiding.

Since remaining alive is my only goal, I think it would be unwise to detail what hiding resources I have used or have still available, so I'll limit my claim to say that I have one of those "cannot be lynched" things, so voting me is a waste of time, and getting rid of me wouldn't improve either scum or town's chances of victory.

How's that for a partial claim, Jim?

So now I suspect Jim for explicitly saying 'partial' meaning he knew something about your role, but then it wouldn't make sense for you two to be buddies as Jim would kill you, you reflected, then you'd hit yourself.

And as you can't answer straight, let my questions now be answered in a way that follows how you answered my first. Looking it all over, you've been...cooperative, while trying to hint us on it.

...Bah. English :I

About your other questions and Hapah's, I'll say this for the last time: I have claimed all I intend to claim. Deal with it. I have cleared the battlefield so you two can decide the lynch today - stop talking about me, and talk about finding scum and voting them so we can move on. Between the two of you you can lynch anyone you want. If by tomorrow you haven't come to a consensus and there is a 1-1 tie, I'll pick one of your targets and hammer them. That's all the help you're going to get.

It's up to you. Now get to it.

Why won't you vote anyone?

[Hapah]

Wall of text incoming before bed.

[Hapah]

What a twist! The no-vote people can still talk, I assume?

Well now, I guess it's time to lay out what I know, and my case. It's not much, unfortunately, but it's going to take up a fair bit of real estate anyway. Get a snack.

For what we know: Considering we've massclaimed, damn near nothing. It stems from the actions mostly, I guess. None of Tir's or Tolyk's actions are confirm-able. IO is claiming taking no actions at all, which strikes me as a little odd. Hell, we can't even make heads or tails of who people are actually using their damn abilities on, since Tir claims he targeted me N2 but supposedly ended up at Bookthras. Tolyk claims he saw IO visit Jim N3 (the night Jim was shot, no less), but IO claims he took no action at all. It's a pretty big mess.

For who I suspect: At the moment, it's Tolyk. I'll go into detail below, but I'd like as much feedback as people can give.

First things first: I'm going to put up his initial claim besides his final claim. Take a look below.

Spoiler: Initial Claim (click to show/hide)

Given here
I am the Binary Eradicator of the Meta Roles
(Auto) Anti-Metagamer: I ignore game-modifying Auto abilities.
(Auto) Find by IP: I have a 1/10 (that is, 50% - get it? ) chance to <withheld>
(Night) Eradicate: I can remove someone's auto ability (only one random one).
(Night, 1-shot) Inactivation [target]: <withheld>

Spoiler: Final Claim (click to show/hide)

Given here
I am the Binary Eradicator of the Meta Roles
(Auto) Anti-Metagamer: I ignore game-modifying Auto abilities.
(Auto) Find by IP: I have a 50% chance to see who my target was targeting (during an action).
(Night) Eradicate: I can remove someone's auto ability (only one random one).
(Night, 1-shot) Inactivation [target]: Target cannot action the next night.
(Night, 1-shot) Binary Bomb [target]: Target is poisoned and dies at the end of the next day.

Night 1: Binary Bomb on Zombie Urist. Find by IP did not work. {He died later, sadly}
Night 2: Eradicate on Hapah. Find by IP worked. Was targeting Book.
Night 3: Inactivation on IronyOwl. Find by IP worked. Was targeting Jim.

The two things that catch my eye are the facts that 1.) He did not initially claim his action targets and 2.) He managed to gain an entire ability between the two claims. Not un-redacted, not partially claimed to full claim, just completely fresh. I'm going to focus on the second one first.

Spoiler: My Thoughts (click to show/hide)

The very first question on your mind should be why. There's no harm in claiming a 1-shot kill that you've already used. I believe that Tolyk invented the Binary Bomb ability to cover his N1 action. The reason? Because he had to.

Put yourself in a scum's shoes with Tolyk's initial claim as your "role". You want to fakeclaim all your actions. Maybe you're redirecting to cause confusion. Maybe you're the gunman and you're having piss-poor luck. Hell, maybe you're priming people, arson-style. But your fakeclaim role above has a problem, doesn't it? You need to claim actions for all 3 nights. You can claim a 1-shot that doesn't work until the next night to cover N3 (which he did, and we won't know if he's speaking the truth until D4. Hell, we might not even know then, if he and IO are both telling the truth). But you've still got 2 night actions to claim, and the only claim action you've got left is one that wipes an auto ability. Problem is, you've got 1 guy with no Auto and 2 Nights to cover. You can't even claim shooting it at someone random N1, because you know if anyone lost an ability in the night they'd speak up. You could try to claim being blocked, but that opens up an entirely new set of risks.

So you do what you have to do. You whip together a new ability to use N1 and hope nobody notices. Don't draw attention to it, just put it out there.

Next: His claimed actions and reasons

Night 1: Binary Bomb on Zombie Urist. Find by IP did not work. {He died later, sadly}
Night 2: Eradicate on Hapah. Find by IP worked. Was targeting Book.
Night 3: Inactivation on IronyOwl. Find by IP worked. Was targeting Jim.
N1: Because Zombie was acting strangely.
N2: Didn't have many picks, so I chose someone random out of them. {didn't have any effect}
N3: Just in case Irony was trying to be lurkscum.

N1 he claimed to use a poison on someone that had just lynched and revived. Everyone knows that ZU is going to be the focus of attention, so why waste the poison? And, y'know, don't bring the fact that you poisoned the guy up D2 or anything to keep the discussion moving. In fact, keep casting suspicion on him. S'not like the guy is poisoned or anything. Also, the hell is up with the bold part of your reasoning claim? I'd almost guess that you worked out the action list with your scumbuddy in chat before you realized the problem, subbed in Binary Bomb for whatever was there, and posted it. Why would you be surprised or sad that someone you poisoned died?

N2 you managed to hit the only guy in the entire damn game that doesn't have an Auto...with your ability that removes Autos. Nice shooting there, Tex. N3 he claimed a delayed block, which (imo) seems pretty damn weak for a 1-shot. And it has the added "bonus" of it can't be verified until tomorrow.

And that's what I've got; sorry that it got away from me. I think it reads well, though!

So, Tolyk. I'd like to know:
-Why you didn't claim Binary Bomb initially
-Why you thought using it N1 on someone who revived was the best course of action
-Why you kept casting suspicions on someone you supposedly poisoned
-What you're doing tonight, on who, in advance

Everyone: Thoughts?