penngo: You're getting yourself lynched and being useless while doing it. This is not very helpful to your faction.
To all, I am not going to explain the shorten, and I might as well say extend now. Also don't even bother asking me questions about it, they are just going to get ignored.
Flat out refusing to explain things is scummy. If everybody refused to explain why they'd done anything, we couldn't really scumhunt, now could we?
Hapah
pengo009 - I don't like the "joke" jab at IO, and I don't like that his suspicion post was "The hell is this shit ZU -_______-". There weren't any real suspicions or reasons in there, which struck me as a little odd. Leaning scum.
Looks like this godawful reasoning is what has gotten me voted by many...... I guess its fair to say that your reasoning for voting me is about as good as my reasoning(Or suspicion post) for voting Zombie Urist. So why are you to count my reasoning as invalid when your reasoning is just as invalid.
Calling something invalid without explaining why is scummy. Reasons are everything. If nobody bothered with reasons, it'd basically just be a shouting match of "NO U."
Trying to bring someone down to your level is also scummy, at least when you don't have good reasons for it. It makes it look like you're trying to cover up being terrible by deflecting it onto someone else. If you explain
why it could work, but even then it looks like you're trying to admit to something while shifting the blame to your target.
Dariush you just jumped on what Hapah said, so I'm just going to ignore you.
Ignoring other players is scummy. If their arguments are terrible, you should be able to respond to or specifically point out that they're not worth answering on a case by case basis. Stating that you're going to ignore a player sounds like they're onto something and you really don't want to let them find you out. Very similar to ignoring specific lines of questioning, as above.
You should also probably be curious about
why someone's questions or arguments or whatever are terrible. Do you think Dariush is misguided town? Obviously if you're going to ignore him you're not very interested in finding out.
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Well... Never knew being gone would end up THIS bad for me. I guess trips are just too op. Lets shorten.
I haven't paid a lot of attention to the game, but I've paid enough attention to know that if you're not going to bother to try to give an explanation for why there was no kill given Hapah's claim, then suit yourself, I'll see you out of this game posthaste.
penngo009.
Wait wait wait.... What?
Responding with vague incredulity and confusion to a clear argument is scummy. Similar to explaining things above, if something doesn't make sense you need to explain
why. Only very rarely is "Huh?" or similar a sufficient response to move the conversation along.
How do you know that Hapah just didn't lie?
As others have pointed out, responding with vague hypotheticals is scummy. For starters, we don't have any
reason to think Hapah was lying, so responding with "Well, what if...?" sounds like you've been caught and are trying to find a reason why it's physically possible that you're innocent.
Secondly, you're refusing to provide any actual information, as others have also pointed out, which is scummy for reasons similar to refusing to answer questions. Even if you're not guilty, there's no good reason to not bother explaining whether you were delayed, or if you know you were delayed, or if you didn't action last night, or any of a number of things that would be more informative than "Well, Hapah's a person, and people can lie, therefore these are baseless accusations!"
In fact Hapah, I would like a role claim from you now.
Making demands of your attacker as though you're suspicious of him right after he calls you out on something is scummy. Once again, it looks like you're on the defensive, and trying to turn the tables on someone who's found you out. Imagine a blustering nobleman who's just been caught, ranting about how this is preposterous and he doesn't have to stand for this and he bets his
accuser was the one who did it! And you'll pretty much see the problem.
Beyond that, demanding a roleclaim is scummy. There's no good reason for it outside of a few specific situations, and neither "It's physically possible that he's lying" or "I don't like that he's attacking me" count. You've even admitted that you don't know if he delayed you or not, so what could a roleclaim out of him accomplish? Nothing, that's what, other than letting scum know how soon they should NK him.
Ninja'd by a response, at least, but it's still extremely problematic. Also this was longer than I thought. I advise you read it all anyway,
penngo.
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