-SNIP- Questions again why i defended myself instead of scumhunting/attacking.
Let's look at it like this. It was quite late, i wanted to go to sleep soon. However, i also wanted to do something with the mafia.
Creating an good attack would take far too long, it would require me to shift trough various posts, create more quote's, re-read, etc.
Thus i concluded that it wasn't worth my time, since i was short on it.
What i could do as well was to defend myself. This is a bit more flexible. You can for example just answer questions, or answers questions which refer to different posts, etc. I chose for the first option, since that was the least time consuming thing that i could do.
But like again, because i was short on time. I quoted the entire thing and added the orange text, i wouldn't have done it that way if i would have more time. But i didn't.
Does this sound more logical in your ears? Your WHOLE attack is biased on what YOU would do if you were in my position.
Listen that's fine with me, but don't start harassing people just because they didn't have the time to perform the other choice cause of valid reasons and don't add lies to the fray while doing it as well.
I've had SOMETHING on Xny, but unfortunately he got replaced by u. So right now, i'm left with a case against shoesandhast and leads here and there, but i cannot figure out something strong or something that isn;t utter bullshit.
Then tell us the utter bullshit. If you notice anything, you can start to pressure someone on it. Maybe not vote them, but ask, Pressure is how you make people slip and crack.
I never asked for a good case. Your suspicions list was like
thirty words and required no shifting through the thread. Why couldn't you put that in the post from before?
Also, this post you just made was fairly large. I assume you are still at school/busy because it has no real 'strong attacks' which you appear to claim to be able to make.
-Snip- Points i have summed up against shoesandhats.
Beautiful. Other people have made these points, yes, but you still need to justify your vote. Voting someone without saying an argument simply because others have made one is usually bandwagoning; even if it is just a compilation of points from the thread, its important to explain your reasoning, so it can be attacked if necessary.
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Actually, if you look at my first post, its half of my explanation for why ShoesandHats is scum. The second adds to this. As does the third. "
ShoesandHats: focusing one person with a very weak case, not fixing errors which they are called out on, "
It's not a completed, every-example-of-a-scumslip ever case, because he repeats the same mistake over and over.
First quote first. What i find amusing is how you unjustify the reasons, while the evidence is before you. You make it seem like Like i've had no participation in creating those reasons at all, it seems like you are specifically cherry picking that what you want to see. Rest doesn't matter.
Now for quote 2: Here you mention that in your first post, you gave a variety of reasons why shoesandhats is scum. However if we look at post #191, we see nothing.... Now you could've have made a mistake, but if we look now at post #194. We see... One reason! During the course since that post, you claim reasons which were already mentioned before your arrival one by one. Until we came to this point where, you dismissed my existence of helping to obtain those reasons.
#191 has no reasons in it?
ShoesandHats seems very classically scummy. I'll elaborate more in the morning, but generally he's trying to focus a certain person and get them lynched. In particular, his hunting for others is very lazy.
ShoesandHats: You said before that you thought xny and zero might be a scumteam. Why haven't you put any pressure on xny?
Actually, that's a good point. Though now that I've said that if I actually try to put pressure on him he'll know to keep cool.
This represents what I mean well. He's made a very large and obvious mistake (not pressuring someone he FOS's), and reacted very calmly to being questioned about it, instead of immediately going to fix it. Also his reason for lynching Mr. Zero comes down to 'he's scum hunting wrong because he spends too much effort on one person', which is a classic scumtell, yet in pursuing this he doesn't even apply basic pressure to xny/me.
Of course the reasons where brought up before I arrived. That's how mafia works. Someone makes a slip, someone else notices, and they pressure the person on it. A new person joining the game doesn't make the scum-team suddenly make mistakes. What I did was instead
explain my reasoning. If my reason for voting someone is going to be questioned, it won't hold up without reasoning.
Sometimes i can slack off slightly and post a quick answer, however this does not mean that i can write out a massive argument with quotations and all. Simply because i have work do as well during class.
Of course. You aren't my first suspicion, you are just reacting badly to my pressure. Wait until you have the time, and show us what else you have. Really, I just want to see your reasoned suspicion list and/or some pressure before day-end, because otherwise, if ShoesandHats flips town, you have no leads. And you're already the second highest on the lynching pole.
Here you ask me to reveal everything i have...again... how original. Didn't i like just do that? But for now il give you my suspicion list.
1. Shoesandhats for reasons stated.
2. Scottzar, reasons stated below.
3. Borno, low activity, doesn't post anything of value.
4. Rest, they make mistakes i guess or forgot to add variables.
Maybe your predecessor was better, cause you're doing all kinds of nasty things which town wouldn't.
You lie, You cherry-pick, you fake information , You harass people not for pressure, no, just harass them because they didn't do that what you would do. What do you have to say ? scum?
I don't lie. Anything in a quote box is either the truth or a -snip-. Care to provide some evidence of where I lie (don't say "the part where you said I (Mr.Zero) admitted to defending being a higher priority than scumhunting" because unless you bring new evidence to the table, my point still stands.)
It's true that I don't address people's entire posts. That's because entire posts are rarely incorrect. I don't say "no, I'm not putting pressure on you" when you accuse me of harassing someone who is short on time, because I am putting pressure on you. I can just quote myself, really, and say;
Because pressure doesn't magically go away because you're busy. It sits there, as a suspicion, until you have the time to address it.
Guess what you need to do? Hint: its not address my pressure. You are doing that fine. It's address the root of my pressure, i.e. your lack of scumhunting.
This being said, you are starting to show
some scumhunting. Or, at least, the fact that you have suspicions and that they have some reasons.
As a side note: harassing people for no reason doesn't help scum. Making people angry at you makes them more likely to lynch you. I'm harassing you only in the sense that I keep refuting your points and shouting at you.
Mr.Zero: Do your suspicions change at all if ShoesandHats flips town? Are the people voting you now more or less suspicious?
Nerjin:It is not strange that someone would try to save their life no. However I think that you two are going about it in a way that leads me to have suspicions that you're both trying to simultaneously bus each-other.
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I feel like Shoes may have been bussing but I cannot confirm this through any particular quote.
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I'm going to assume you mean ShoesandHats and Mr. Zero. I couldn't answer for sure, it may be because they've both slipped up majorly and are trying to save their own lives. Weirder things have happened. Like I said I can't prove it for sure but it's entirely plausible.
Shorten I think we've seen enough to all make a decision. First of all.
Bold. It's rare to see anyone throw out a shorten anymore. So, just to get this straight, you think Mr.Zero and ShoesandHats are the scumteam, yes? Therefore you don't care which gets lynched, even if it isn't the one you're voting for? Do you think there are interactions between the two that confirm this for you?
There are no interactions between the two that confirm this for me but they are relatively equal in suspicion for me. Mr. Zero for reasons I've stated time and time again and Shoes for his attempted buddying of me [it is buddying isn't it? Am I using the term wrong?] and his incredibly lazy reasoning on everything. As for direct contact between the two? I feel like Shoes may have been bussing but I cannot confirm this through any particular quote.
As for the first part, no I don't care which gets lynched since I'm certain they're both scum. I'd prefer it was my number 1 scum-suspect but I'll take the second if I have to. At this point I feel we've discussed everything we can with the information we've been given so I figure we should see if he flips scum or not. If so we have more evidence, if not we have more evidence. Maybe I've broken some sort of unwritten rule here but I think we've talked about all we can on day 1.
You say there is no real specific reason why you think they are bussing, just that they are both scum and happen to be attacking each other. Arguments for them being scum have been thrown all over the place, however, your argument for them bussing has no real support.
Why did you say that you think they are bussing if you aren't going to support the statement?
What did you hope to achieve by accusing them of this?
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