Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: 1 ... 14 15 [16] 17 18 ... 32

Author Topic: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN VICTORY  (Read 78423 times)

Scottzar

  • Bay Watcher
  • Water is truly the most dwarven of fluids
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #225 on: October 26, 2012, 06:41:34 pm »

EBWOP: #221

Scottzar: Why did you keep pressing me like that? while i've told you that my IRL time was limited and that i would finish it today?
Because pressure doesn't magically go away because you're busy. It sits there, as a suspicion, until you have the time to address it.
Quote from: Scottzar
It's the entire section where you defend from me instead of scumhunting.
Since you're fond of logic, I'll explain my reasoning in a more hierarchical way:
Mr.Zero is under pressure, says he has some (not very good) scumtells, and only has limited time to post -> he posts to defend himself instead of aiding in the scumhunting -> Therefore, he prioritises defending himself over scumhunting.

Quote
Scottzar: Why did you lie as well? I've never stated in any comment claiming that i only defended against you. You only did.
I think that i know what you meant with that question, but il wait for your answer.
I didn't lie. See the above: you didn't scumhunt in that post, so defending yourself was a greater priority than scumhunting. Might make sense if the day is going to end and you have the majority of votes, but mine is on ShoesandHats.
I'll return the favour and do what you did to me: where in this quote did you scumhunt?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote
Good reason why shoesandhats is scum? I don't know like...
1. He's shady about answering some questions.
2. He keeps clinging to his theory, but he doesn't support it with any arguments.
3. He's acting lazy
4. Instead of scumhunting, he still keep clinging to his theory.
5. Semi-lurk.
6. Tries to deflect questions if he ain't answering them.
Beautiful. Other people have made these points, yes, but you still need to justify your vote. Voting someone without saying an argument simply because others have made one is usually bandwagoning; even if it is just a compilation of points from the thread, its important to explain your reasoning, so it can be attacked if necessary.

Quote
What you will most probably notice is that these points already have been made on the board. That question is just plain stupid and shows that you are lazy and didn't bother to truly read everything and decided to have a go at someone and let him sum up the points for you.
Actually, if you look at my first post, its half of my explanation for why ShoesandHats is scum. The second adds to this. As does the third. "
ShoesandHats: focusing one person with a very weak case, not fixing errors which they are called out on, "
It's not a completed, every-example-of-a-scumslip ever case, because he repeats the same mistake over and over.

Mr.Zero: you seem to be harassing people to supplement your pressure. Do you think the potentially added scumhunting, if any, is enough to counteract the hate and votes it earns you?
Also, in your last post, which was fairly large, you make no effort to hunt scum. The only reason at this point that I don't have my vote on you is that ShoesandHats is using really bad arguments to try and force a lynch on you, because you seem scummy.
Is this babies first buss that I see going on, or do you have a good reason why Shoes is scum?

Scottzar: Is harassing people bad? Isn't a form of pressure? I pressured him even more alongside the vote. Is this wrong for me to do?
No, what you are doing (in regards to harassing to increase pressure) is fine AFAIK, but I wanted your reasoning for it. "I'm just doing it to add pressure" is literally all I was looking for. If you'd said instead "oh okay I need to stop doing that" like ShoesandHats has every five seconds, then there would be an issue. Simple test for simple scum, obviously bore no fruit.

Quote
Sometimes i can slack off slightly and post a quick answer, however this does not mean that i can write out a massive argument with quotations and all. Simply because i have work do as well during class.
Of course. You aren't my first suspicion, you are just reacting badly to my pressure. Wait until you have the time, and show us what else you have. Really, I just want to see your reasoned suspicion list and/or some pressure before day-end, because otherwise, if ShoesandHats flips town, you have no leads. And you're already the second highest on the lynching pole.

As a completely unrelated sidenote, the Pink is very hard to read, especially in a quote box. The orange, while readable, hurts my eyes. Maybe Green, Purple, and Brown?
Logged

Captain Ford

  • Bay Watcher
  • Eating dragons has some side effects...
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #226 on: October 26, 2012, 08:24:21 pm »

I've been counting posts since the start, and it's always been my impression that Mr. Zero was getting so much attention because he's posted nearly twice as much as anyone else. (He's at 41 posts as of this moment. Next closest is xny/scottzar with 26 (21+5), and then Nerjin with 21)

ShoesandHats struck me as scummy when I realized he kept emphasizing his lack of experience. Since then he's dodged and ignored questions, and made no more than a token effort at scumhunting.

At this point, I would support a Shorten. I'm satisfied with my vote, and there probably isn't anything that would change it unless someone made a truly spectacular slip. And, honestly, the day is just dragging on ... the posts are beginning to blur together and I feel like I'm not going to get anywhere new until we see somebody flip.
Logged
...Holy shit. Ford, you get the Official Medal of Epic Awesomeness.
Its official! Ford! You need to put it in your sig now! "Official Mafia Welcomer!"

Captain Ford

  • Bay Watcher
  • Eating dragons has some side effects...
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #227 on: October 26, 2012, 08:24:37 pm »

As a completely unrelated sidenote, the Pink is very hard to read, especially in a quote box. The orange, while readable, hurts my eyes. Maybe Green, Purple, and Brown?

I think the brown could be mistaken for red. We should probably stay away from it. But I have to agree, the orange and pink are terrible.
Logged
...Holy shit. Ford, you get the Official Medal of Epic Awesomeness.
Its official! Ford! You need to put it in your sig now! "Official Mafia Welcomer!"

Scottzar

  • Bay Watcher
  • Water is truly the most dwarven of fluids
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #228 on: October 26, 2012, 09:45:52 pm »

Quote
I've been counting posts since the start, and it's always been my impression that Mr. Zero was getting so much attention because he's posted nearly twice as much as anyone else. (He's at 41 posts as of this moment. Next closest is xny/scottzar with 26 (21+5), and then Nerjin with 21)
Well to be fair, his last post was one continuous line of 6 posts. He is fairly active, which is to be commended, but a fair number of his posts are not perfect examples of what to do in mafia.

At this point, I would support a Shorten. I'm satisfied with my vote, and there probably isn't anything that would change it unless someone made a truly spectacular slip. And, honestly, the day is just dragging on ... the posts are beginning to blur together and I feel like I'm not going to get anywhere new until we see somebody flip.
Honestly, I'd probably shorten as well, but I'd like to see Mr.Zero's suspicions before the night phase goes through and someone dies.
Logged

zombie urist

  • Bay Watcher
  • [NOT_LIVING]
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #229 on: October 26, 2012, 09:47:04 pm »

Trve mafia players use the darkling theme.  :P
Logged
The worst part of all of this is that Shakerag won.

Tiruin

  • Bay Watcher
  • Life is too short for worries
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #230 on: October 26, 2012, 09:49:46 pm »

Trve mafia players use the darkling theme.  :P
Profile > Look and Layout > Current Theme > (change)...Darkling.

It makes the lower forums look like the upper forums!

 :P
Logged

Urist Imiknorris

  • Bay Watcher
  • In the flesh, on the phone and in your account...
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #231 on: October 26, 2012, 10:13:04 pm »

I use Core. Makes the upper forums look like the lower forums.
Logged
Quote from: LordSlowpoke
I don't know how it works. It does.
Quote from: Jim Groovester
YOU CANT NOT HAVE SUSPECTS IN A GAME OF MAFIA

ITS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME
Quote from: Cheeetar
If Tiruin redirected the lynch, then this means that, and... the Illuminati! Of course!

Scottzar

  • Bay Watcher
  • Water is truly the most dwarven of fluids
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #232 on: October 27, 2012, 02:56:20 am »

Trve mafia players use the darkling theme.  :P
Profile > Look and Layout > Current Theme > (change)...Darkling.

It makes the lower forums look like the upper forums!

 :P
This is beautiful. Always wanted that upper forum look.

Somehow forgot about Shakerag's post, addressing that now.
@Everyone other than Nabic and ShoesandHats: Why haven't you questioned me? Jim can say he hasn't gotten a post in after the replacement, but Mr.Zero and Shakerag, why haven't I gotten any pressure from you?
Mostly because I've been rather busy.  Also because I didn't find xny to be terribly scummy, so I haven't had a strong urge to follow up on his replacement. 
Honestly this was more asking for advice than scumhunting. From what I know, replacements are usually swamped with questions when they get in, though again, my experience is limited.

Quote
Shakerag: why no pressure on me? Why is Mr.Zero possibly town, and why am I? Shouldn't I be neutral because of how little chance to get a read you had?
Why are you asking me that twice before I've had a chance to respond?  Mr.Zero smells way more strongly of newbie to me than scum right now.  I'm reading him as newbie town responding to getting dogpiled on.  As for you, my townie impressions from xny are carrying over for now.  If you act like a raging scumbucket, then my read will correspondingly change. 

Why are you awfully concerned about me asking you questions and what my impression of you is?
Only reason why I was concerned about you asking me questions is because no-one had really pressured me, and you were amongst the most egregious examples: an IC, had posted, no questions to me. I needed time to compose my thoughts about the Mr.Zero and ShoesandHats, so I applied basic pressure where I could.
Mr.Zero was making strong slips, but you had him as more town then, say, Nabric for example. I needed to know your impression of him, and the defence therein, and the fact that I was listed as town caught my eye.
Your impression of me, combined with the lack of pressure, made it seem like you were mostly ignoring the replacement and not re-testing me. Once again, this concerned me because I thought a replacement would be pressured.

@Shakerag: Do you think, if the day goes through without shortening, anything will be achieved/changed? The same slips and arguments keep coming up as far as I can see.

@Borno: re. what would I do differently to xny: I probably wouldn't of voted Mr.Zero. I would likely have pressured him heavily, and maybe voted him if ShoesandHats didn't slip majorly, but not as soon as xny by any chance. I would also probably have thrown around more pressure in general, because I seem to just be more aggressive than they were.
Logged

Nabic

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #233 on: October 27, 2012, 04:12:47 am »

I said thanks, and then I acknowledged my mistake. The reason I said thanks was that if he hadn't said that, I wouldn't have realized that I was wrong and I might have made more mistakes in the future.
ShoesandHats, He was criticising you for not applying the advice or scumhunting. Your last two posts haven't questioned anyone or done any scumhunting. Posting without doing any scumhunting does not help town and is scummy.

Also, not posting would probably be bad for both, since activity wins games. But since the only way town can win the game is essentially through talking, I think it'd be more important for townies to post than scum.
borno, Out of the 5 posts you've made this game, 3 of them have been excuses for not making a post. You haven't been posting often. Are you trying to imply that you're mafia?

Captain Ford, Who is your second-most suspicious?

Bold.  It's rare to see anyone throw out a shorten anymore.
Shakerag, Isn't that what you and Jim want, for D1 to be over? As ICs, why don't you suggest a shorten, or fewer extends?

I feel like Shoes may have been bussing but I cannot confirm this through any particular quote.
Nerjin, If ShoesandHats and Nerjin are on a scumteam together, why are they each trying to bus the other?

I agree with a Shorten. I think we've got scum, and I doubt it'll be helpful to go on much longer without some confirmed information. The only person I feel hasn't talked enough is borno.
Logged

Nerjin

  • Bay Watcher
  • A photo is worth 1,000 words... all: Guilty!
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #234 on: October 27, 2012, 06:54:28 am »

-snip-
I feel like Shoes may have been bussing but I cannot confirm this through any particular quote.
Nerjin, If ShoesandHats and Nerjin are on a scumteam together, why are they each trying to bus the other?

I agree with a Shorten. I think we've got scum, and I doubt it'll be helpful to go on much longer without some confirmed information. The only person I feel hasn't talked enough is borno.

I'm going to assume you mean ShoesandHats and Mr. Zero. I couldn't answer for sure, it may be because they've both slipped up majorly and are trying to save their own lives. Weirder things have happened. Like I said I can't prove it for sure but it's entirely plausible.
Logged
The demon code prevents me from declining a rock-off challenge.

Is the admiral of the SS Lapidot.

Mr.Zero

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #235 on: October 27, 2012, 07:55:09 am »

I'd like a votecount if possible.

Quote from: Nerjin link=topic=117173.msg3733262#msg3733262
I'm going to assume you mean ShoesandHats and Mr. Zero. I couldn't answer for sure, it may be because they've both slipped up majorly and are trying to save their own lives. Weirder things have happened. Like I said I can't prove it for sure but it's entirely plausible.

Nerjin:Tell me, is it strange that someone would try to save his own life? Regardless of his alignment? (Though some roles are exceptions to this, joker i think?)

Oh and about the green,oragne and pink. I'm sorry, i've been using the darkling forum theme since the beginning and honestly forgot that not everyone uses it.

@captain ford: Please disregard that some of my posts were small notes or such. So like do -8, that would bring it closer to my true post count.
Logged
Durrr..

Nerjin

  • Bay Watcher
  • A photo is worth 1,000 words... all: Guilty!
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #236 on: October 27, 2012, 07:57:50 am »

It is not strange that someone would try to save their life no. However I think that you two are going about it in a way that leads me to have suspicions that you're both trying to simultaneously bus each-other.
Logged
The demon code prevents me from declining a rock-off challenge.

Is the admiral of the SS Lapidot.

Mr.Zero

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #237 on: October 27, 2012, 09:19:37 am »

-SNIP- Questions again why i defended myself instead of scumhunting/attacking.

Let's look at it like this. It was quite late, i wanted to go to sleep soon. However, i also wanted to do something with the mafia.

Creating an good attack would take far too long, it would require me to shift trough various posts, create more quote's, re-read, etc.
Thus i concluded that it wasn't worth my time, since i was short on it.

What i could do as well was to defend myself. This is a bit more flexible. You can for example just answer questions, or answers questions which refer to different posts, etc. I chose for the first option, since that was the least time consuming thing that i could do.

But like again, because i was short on time. I quoted the entire thing and added the orange text, i wouldn't have done it that way if i would have more time. But i didn't.

Does this sound more logical in your ears? Your WHOLE attack is biased on what YOU would do if you were in my position.

Listen that's fine with me, but don't start harassing people just because they didn't have the time to perform the other choice cause of valid reasons and don't add lies to the fray while doing it as well.



Quote
-Snip- Points i have summed up against shoesandhats.
Beautiful. Other people have made these points, yes, but you still need to justify your vote. Voting someone without saying an argument simply because others have made one is usually bandwagoning; even if it is just a compilation of points from the thread, its important to explain your reasoning, so it can be attacked if necessary.

Quote
What you will most probably notice is that these points already have been made on the board. That question is just plain stupid and shows that you are lazy and didn't bother to truly read everything and decided to have a go at someone and let him sum up the points for you.
Actually, if you look at my first post, its half of my explanation for why ShoesandHats is scum. The second adds to this. As does the third. "
ShoesandHats: focusing one person with a very weak case, not fixing errors which they are called out on, "
It's not a completed, every-example-of-a-scumslip ever case, because he repeats the same mistake over and over.

First quote first. What i find amusing is how you unjustify the reasons, while the evidence is before you. You make it seem like  Like i've had no participation in creating those reasons at all, it seems like you are specifically cherry picking that what you want to see. Rest doesn't matter.

Now for quote 2: Here you mention that in your first post, you gave a variety of reasons why shoesandhats is scum. However if we look at post #191, we see nothing.... Now you could've have made a mistake, but if we look now at post #194. We see... One reason! During the course since that post, you claim reasons which were already mentioned before your arrival one by one. Until we came to this point where, you dismissed my existence of helping to obtain those reasons.


Quote
Sometimes i can slack off slightly and post a quick answer, however this does not mean that i can write out a massive argument with quotations and all. Simply because i have work do as well during class.
Of course. You aren't my first suspicion, you are just reacting badly to my pressure. Wait until you have the time, and show us what else you have. Really, I just want to see your reasoned suspicion list and/or some pressure before day-end, because otherwise, if ShoesandHats flips town, you have no leads. And you're already the second highest on the lynching pole.

Here you ask me to reveal everything i have...again... how original. Didn't i like just do that? But for now il give you my suspicion list.

1. Shoesandhats for reasons stated.
2. Scottzar, reasons stated below.
3. Borno, low activity, doesn't post anything of value.
4. Rest, they make mistakes i guess or forgot to add variables.

Maybe your predecessor was better, cause you're doing all kinds of nasty things which town wouldn't.

You lie, You cherry-pick, you fake information , You harass people not for pressure, no, just harass them because they didn't do that what you would do. What do you have to say ? scum?
Logged
Durrr..

Nerjin

  • Bay Watcher
  • A photo is worth 1,000 words... all: Guilty!
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #238 on: October 27, 2012, 09:25:36 am »

-snip-
Creating an good attack would take far too long, it would require me to shift trough various posts, create more quote's, re-read, etc.
Thus i concluded that it wasn't worth my time, since i was short on it.
-snip-

"Hello everyone my name is Mr. Zero and I chose conciously to not scum-hunt since it is not worth my time. Instead of simply waiting until the morning to make a better post I threw some generic defense post at you and hoped it was good enough."

Am I reading this right? Seriously? Look if you wanna sleep then sleep. If you want to do mafia do mafia. But don't do mafia in a, dare I say it, lazy way. THat's what your getting onto ShoesandHata about. It's a forum game we don't mind waiting. Keep that in mind for the future.
Logged
The demon code prevents me from declining a rock-off challenge.

Is the admiral of the SS Lapidot.

Captain Ford

  • Bay Watcher
  • Eating dragons has some side effects...
    • View Profile
Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #239 on: October 27, 2012, 11:55:09 am »

@captain ford: Please disregard that some of my posts were small notes or such. So like do -8, that would bring it closer to my true post count.

Everyone makes minor posts. And even minor posts increase your visibility, since it stamps your username and avatar down. But besides that, I can also tell you that the same holds true if you add up the total number of characters you've posted.

...and I'm not entirely sure why you would try to downplay this. Why wouldn't you want people to think you're the most active player?
Logged
...Holy shit. Ford, you get the Official Medal of Epic Awesomeness.
Its official! Ford! You need to put it in your sig now! "Official Mafia Welcomer!"
Pages: 1 ... 14 15 [16] 17 18 ... 32