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[borno]

Sorry guys, got unexpectedly delayed. Reading through thread now, will answer questions soon.

[borno]

Mr. Zero

Borno: What's your point of view on the situation that is before your eyes?

Currently I think that people are voting for you because of the fact that you made a slip, and when you got called out on it you got defensive and started attacking xny for supposedly jumping in on questions. Then, when you felt you were losing the argument, you called it a 'misunderstanding' and mentioning how we should be going after the lurkers instead of yourself.

And then there's this.

Shoesandhats You say you have your opinions and evidence, what's holding you back to display/share it ? Even if it's something that may be used against me.

Pretty blatant OMGUS.

And once again, you've not answered my question. Do you feel the need to act town? Even if you just tell me to back off on this question, I want an answer.

OMGUS, yes.
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You just admitted yourself that you did an OMGUS.

Borno: Do you consider voting for someone with little evidence a good vote?

I'm not sure what this question really means. No, I wouldn't vote for anyone without good reason (Unless if it was RVS), if that's what you're asking.

[Mr.Zero]

I'm not sure what this question really means. No, I wouldn't vote for anyone without good reason (Unless if it was RVS), if that's what you're asking.

Then what do consider of Hatsandshoes's argument for voting me? Doesn't it strike suspicion cause it's a bandwagon,empty vote and the need to avoid the questions people ask? Even at this stage of the game, where the should be plenty of evidence to form an argument against someone?

[Jim Groovester]

Shoesandhats You say you have your opinions and evidence, what's holding you back to display/share it ? Even if it's something that may be used against me.

Pretty blatant OMGUS.

You just admitted yourself that you did an OMGUS.

Nobody gives a shit about OMGUSing.

Counter his vote on the strength of his reasons. If he were literally OMGUSing, then he would have none, and would thus be easily countered.

The reasons are the important thing behind the vote. That he voted for someone who was voting for him is unremarkable. It happens all the time.

Do you feel the need to act town?

Don't you?

Those are all the quotes that I could find. Some of them are a bit messed up, but I'm not sure why. It gets across the point, though, and the point is that you two might be fighting a lot in order to seem like town and to draw suspicion away from your partnership.

I'm not reading that.

Make your point intelligible. That is to say, find the most relevant and demonstrative evidence, and then state your opinion about it as concisely as possible.

You want people to vote with you and agree with your case, right? Then you should take care to make your points as clearly as possible and as convincing as possible.

Further, I asked you how their argument made you think they were scum. You didn't answer this question. You simply gave me a million posts, and declared that your conclusion was obvious. I disagree. You're going to have to explain and justify your point if you actually want people to care, much less agree with you.

Or maybe lazy bandwagons are your thing.

Nabic, any time you're ready you can answer me.

[Mr.Zero]

Oh. also. I assume you have red trough the thread, since you said so. What strikes me is how little you have to ask, even more so that you just joined the game. Are you going to take the lazy bandwagon vote with your buddy as well? Cause i see very little  reason behind your vote, expect that what Xny and Nerjin already pointed out.

You are voting for me now for the OMGUS that can be hardly considered an OMGUS, if we look at what shoesandhats's arguments for his vote. Which are currently little to none.

[Nerjin]

-snip-
Xny: Why didn't you question other people besides  me during the 3-4 page discussion? Didn't they emit enough suspicion? Also what do you think of Nerjin suddenly jumping into the fray?

Nerjin: Same questions as XNY(expects last one) but.... why did you help XNY? Weren't you confident enough that your buddy would succeed?

Because I am certain that you are scum. No one else is giving off a feeling strong enough for me to be sure. How am I helping him? By saying what I think might be the case? Also nice trick there at the end. Almost got me. Except that you didn't. I'm trying to show the others that you're scum if my view-point happens to coincide with another's well then that's fine by me because it shows that the Town knows what to look for in scum. Namely you.

I also love how you're floundering about so hard right now. Attacking blindly at anyone who strikes your fancy. Your poor attempts at deflecting suspicion on others won't work. Try harder Scum-boy.

[Mr.Zero]

-snip-
Xny: Why didn't you question other people besides  me during the 3-4 page discussion? Didn't they emit enough suspicion? Also what do you think of Nerjin suddenly jumping into the fray?

Nerjin: Same questions as XNY(expects last one) but.... why did you help XNY? Weren't you confident enough that your buddy would succeed?

-Snip-

I also love how you're floundering about so hard right now. Attacking blindly at anyone who strikes your fancy. Your poor attempts at deflecting suspicion on others won't work. Try harder Scum-boy.

Cough blindly, I stopped my attempts at scratching you cause shoesandhats popped up. Also what you call blindly flailing , i call it "attacking on multi pipe fronts." Something you can hardly say, cause ya know? In the end there are 2-3 scum members. and so far you think that you have caught one, while the other one is still running around.

Also so far you didn't add any new evidence to your case against me, and since this is progressing you're getting a lil bit behind. Don't you think?

Captain Ford: i hereby welcome our lurker back to the land of the living, could you share your opinions/questions? Cause it's awfully quiet around here.

Nabic: I'd also love that you come back in here, or should i ask some more questions before you come out from your safety hole?

[zombie urist]

Current vote count:

Nerjin:
ShoesandHats [2]: Captain Ford, Mr.Zero
Borno:
Captain Ford [2]: Nabic, Shakerag
Mr.Zero [4]:xny, Nerjin, ShoesandHats, Borno
Nabic [1]: Jim Groovester
xny:
Jim Groovester:
Shakerag:

Not voting:

Extension requests: 0
Shorten requests: 0

4 votes needed to extend the day
5 votes needed to shorten the day

Day 1 will end Tuesday, October 22 at ~11:00 P.M. PST.
I've pushed back D1 end by 2 hours because I have midterms 7-9 that day.

[Shakerag]

Because you then proceeded to do nothing at all. So what's stopping you from following up on him?

[...]

Do you consider what you've posted so far quality? From what I see, you've done not much else than IC talk.

1 - Nothing is.  I didn't feel a need to follow up.
2 - [Most of the work for the ICs on D1 (and possibly D2) is whipping you greenhorns into shape so that we can get on with the game proper.  Some of the ICs, Jim and myself included, like to sit back a bit so you all can get your feet wet; we don't want to do all the work for you.  Also, given that this is a beginner's game, it takes a fair bit of effort to sort out all the newbie flailings from honest scumtells.]

Nerjin, if you were cop and you knew for a fact there was a town doctor in the game (other than yourself), would you claim on the first day to draw the night kill to yourself, and potentially save a townie from being killed at night?

[I think it's safe to say we're past the RVS phase.  Let's focus on game-relevant questions now.]
Also, you vote ShoesandHats ... but with no further pressure/followup.  How certain are you he's scum?  Do you actually suspect Nerjin, or are you just going through the motions?


Jim: You trying to hatch an egg?  You've been sitting on that vote long enough.  Who are your top two scumpicks right now?


borno: Give me your reads on ShoesandHats, Captain Ford, and xny, please.

[Captain Ford]

Nerjin, if you were cop and you knew for a fact there was a town doctor in the game (other than yourself), would you claim on the first day to draw the night kill to yourself, and potentially save a townie from being killed at night?

[I think it's safe to say we're past the RVS phase.  Let's focus on game-relevant questions now.]

[I wondered about how appropriate that was before I posted it. Thanks for clarifying]

Captain Ford: i hereby welcome our lurker back to the land of the living, could you share your opinions/questions? Cause it's awfully quiet around here.

Alright, I'll bite.

Also what you call blindly flailing , i call it "attacking on multi pipe fronts." Something you can hardly say, cause ya know? In the end there are 2-3 scum members. and so far you think that you have caught one, while the other one is still running around.

I want to know what your supposed scumhunting efforts have gotten you. Who would you finger as the most suspicious, in lieu of yourself?

Also, you said:

In the end there are 2-3 scum members,

and then you said:

and so far you think that you have caught one, while the other one is still running around.

Why would you say that unless you knew there was only one other scum?

[Shakerag]

Gameplay and Concept

The game of mafia has a simple concept. A large group of players known as the town plays against a smaller group of players known as the mafia. In this setup, there are nine players, with seven town and two mafia.

[Mr.Zero]

I want to know what your supposed scumhunting efforts have gotten you. Who would you finger as the most suspicious, in lieu of yourself?

Blablabla, you said 2-3 scum and further sentence you mention only 2. blablabla

Why would you say that unless you knew there was only one other scum?

So far my efforts haven't been that big, but neither have been yours or anybody else. However, shoesandhats turns out to be an excellent candidate for scum with his bandwagon, unsupported vote, avoidance of questions and semi-lurk and borno is leaning towards it without the lurk though. While Xny seems to have a personal grudge  against me, while ignoring the rest. Oh and let's not forget Nerjin! his personal buttbuddy ( He does pretty much the same thing as XNY).

To sum it up.
-Lurky lurk of lurkiness. You/Nabic/ IC's ( I firmly believe they are players as well, though i can understand that they may be busy they should acknowledge the thread by saying PFP i believe.)
-Lack of further scumhunting by Nerjin/Xny/shoesandhats
-Scuminness of shoesandhats/borno

[Mr.Zero]

Whoops, forgot to add an answer to the final question.

Pretty much what Shakerag just've shown, it's also rather logical that there would be 2 scum but i supposed that he could've maybe made it slightly different so i've added that extra option as well.

[Captain Ford]

Gameplay and Concept

The game of mafia has a simple concept. A large group of players known as the town plays against a smaller group of players known as the mafia. In this setup, there are nine players, with seven town and two mafia.

Wow. I looked for that but couldn't find it.

Still, from the way he wrote the sentence, it's obvious Mr. Zero didn't know that when he wrote it, so I don't think it invalidates my point.

[Mr.Zero]

Wow. I looked for that but couldn't find it.

Still, from the way he wrote the sentence, it's obvious Mr. Zero didn't know that when he wrote it, so I don't think it invalidates my point.

Yes, i didn't but i was looking from a more logical point as 3 scum would make a BM a very quick game, and since this is vanilla mafia i also thought about 2. But like i said i didn't want to disprove the possibility of 3 when i wrote my previous post.