-So in your professional opinion, you think Scottzar's actions (generally speaking, referring to his "case" on me) to be genuinely scummy as opposed to newbing it up?
Yes.
You don't think so? Tell me how the stuff he's done is better explainable by him being a noob than him being scum.
Honestly? Okay, here's how I think it went down. Scottzar looked at my gameplay, couldn't find anything scummy, noted that I was on a scum lynch, and (coupled with being an IC) decided that I must be solidly town. This idea is likely pretty set in his mind. Then when you (as another IC, pillar of mafia gameplay that we are) question him *specifically* to look over my gameplay to see if he can "find anything bad to say" about me it puts him on the spot. Why is the IC asking me to look for something bad about a person I think is solidly town? Did I miss something? Does he see something I don't? There must be something there if the IC is asking me!
And so, when one is trying hard to look for something they presume must be there, they'll find something, anything, and rationalize it to fit with what they're looking for. Hence why it seems that Scottzar "reversed" his opinion.
An experienced player, in my opinion, would stick by thier town analysis if they thought it correct. But a new player being questioned by an IC ... You see where I'm going with this? So I think your jumping on Scottzar for flipping his position is a lame ass reason for voting him. It looks like a newbie bowing under pressure from an IC to deliver something that's being asked for.
-Also, how does Scottzar looking at me suspiciously after you questioned him (which was "Do you have anything bad to say about Shakerag?", let's note) peg him as scum?
It's a scumtell, it doesn't peg him as scum. If it pegged him as scum I would have been shouting obscenities at him declaring him to be the scummiest person on the planet.
You can't deny that there's a stark shift in his attitude towards you between this post and this post. In the first, he's practically buddying up to you, which is what I was very indirectly getting at by saying if he had anything bad to say about you. And then, suddenly, in response to my question, he did. Except that the reasons he suddenly thinks you're scummy for are bad. If they were, I'd have a more relaxed opinion about this.
There could be an innocent explanation for all this, but I don't find that likely, and you have to admit that it's hella odd that it happened and in the way it did.
Sure there's a shift. But there was an external influence (you) between those statements. Newbies "buddying" up to ICs is nothing new or unexpected. The reasons he suddenly think I'm scummy for *are* bad, perhaps, but that's due to a newbie being pressured by an IC, IMO.
-Were he scum, what reasoning would he have to change his opinion of me (especially since he'd be the only one left)?
You mean, besides to avoid the accusation of buddying?
I can't say. This is WIFOM anyway. Maybe he thinks he can lynch you today or tomorrow, maybe he thinks he has a good case, maybe he did it just so he can say he attacked an IC and that's a dangerous move for scum, or maybe he's just misguided.
Fair enough. Too much wine on that point.
-Finally, why have you done no scumhunting (or even questioning, really) on kingfisher/borno/MrCelt at all? Don't you think it would be a good idea to try and wrangle a read on this oft-replaced player slot?
Because they've been absent up until recently and I've had nothing to ask and I've been waiting to see what they produce on their own before I prod them aggressively about it.
Nothing to ask? That seems uncharacteristic of you. Why not prod them aggressively to produce said content?
Shakerag: I have said earlier I think Shakerag is town, but his persistance in attacking Jim is rather suspicious
What IS this whole fiasco on Jim about? Surely you'd move on to another target you think is scummy, instead of this persistance?
What's suspicious about going after someone you think is scum? I'll stick on Jim's ass until he hangs or I'm convinced he isn't scum.
Shakerag: You've been gone for a while. What do you think of current events?
Apologies. Holidays, work, and other games have taken up my time. I think we're in a difficult spot with one replacement needed (
ZU? Did someone contact you about that?). I think Jim is scum, but I'll grant that it's always a bit hard to tell with him. Scottzar struck me as next-most-scummy, but that's more of a gut feeling.
Everyone: Let's get back to the game now that the holidays are over. Restate your case on who you're voting and why.
PPE: Ahh
Extend because Jim's a vote-tieing dick, and we're still down one player.
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