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[SeriousConcentrate]

You're right to be worried. Just stroll over to the Starbound thread and you'll see a few close-minded people saying they won't touch a good game just because of the publisher.

As far as I'm concerned, I love Risk Of Rain, Stardew Valley is a game I would actually recommend to people (something I rarely do; I did shill RoR to my B12 friends, and I bought Undertale for a friend, but that's largely it), and Starbound is just kind of meh. I at least had some fun with that playing with Draignean. CF is basically 2 for 3 with me, possibly 3 for 3, and I don't think they've quite earned the hate some people have for them.

I would compare it somewhat to EA. I'll never buy another Bioware game, but only because the last 4 Bioware games I bought were disappointing, not because EA is publishing them.

[Vector]

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[variablenonsense]

I preordered Starbound; I've been with it, played all the builds since it was available to play.

It's ... meh is a good way to put it, I think? I do very much think they've handled it horrendously, and given in too much to the temptation to START AGAINNNN instead of just working on the original vision. I don't like it singleplayer, but multiplayer is pretty fun - if you have a good server, which, unfortunately it's ... pretty unstable. I've only played it modded as well, as vanilla is just ... it deserves a pass.

But Risk of Rain and Stardew are both excellent games, so I am glad I got over my prejudice in that regard. It's sad to see that some people can't, even though really CF's only bad game is ... well, the game CF made 

A little more on topic, I decided to self-challenge in Stardew starting with Y2.

Spoiler: Sustainable Farming (click to show/hide)

Money's pretty easy to get in this game. Actually, a lot of stuff seems to be with enough time, so I've imposed a self challenge - I can only buy seeds once per season, and only in year 2. After that, they all have to be made from the seed maker. In addition, I have a separate goal of having 20+ of each seed stockpiled at the end of the season, for use next year, since I won't be allowing myself to buy any seeds at all. I also have to grow every crop I can - after all, it wouldn't be healthy to eat nothing but garlic all year. 

So far, it actually works pretty well; the seed makers spit out 2-3 seeds fairly often, though this means I have a lot less to sell, so far. Because of that, I've opted to pickle or juice almost everything. It's actually making the game feel a little more challenging as I try to save up for my final gold upgrades and upgrading my house, coop, and barn. With the artisan goods, I'm still making money pretty decently (even when I'm just making parsnip juice and not 100% ancient fruit juice ).

I actually feel like I'm farming now, hah.

[Neyvn]

Spoiler: Sustainable Farming (click to show/hide)

Money's pretty easy to get in this game. Actually, a lot of stuff seems to be with enough time, so I've imposed a self challenge - I can only buy seeds once per season, and only in year 2. After that, they all have to be made from the seed maker. In addition, I have a separate goal of having 20+ of each seed stockpiled at the end of the season, for use next year, since I won't be allowing myself to buy any seeds at all. I also have to grow every crop I can - after all, it wouldn't be healthy to eat nothing but garlic all year. 

So far, it actually works pretty well; the seed makers spit out 2-3 seeds fairly often, though this means I have a lot less to sell, so far. Because of that, I've opted to pickle or juice almost everything. It's actually making the game feel a little more challenging as I try to save up for my final gold upgrades and upgrading my house, coop, and barn. With the artisan goods, I'm still making money pretty decently (even when I'm just making parsnip juice and not 100% ancient fruit juice ).

I actually feel like I'm farming now, hah.

Think you can define what your doing a bit clearer for me? Sounds like an interesting challenge to undertake...

[Gabeux]

I would compare it somewhat to EA. I'll never buy another Bioware game, but only because the last 4 Bioware games I bought were disappointing, not because EA is publishing them.

Only difference here is that EA is a publisher that acquires the studios that makes the games, and therefore meddles with them. I don't think Chucklefish had any power over CA like EA has over, say, Maxis, DICE and Bioware.
Example, I don't think DICE would make Battlefield Star Wars Battlefront a game of a thousand DLCs if it wasn't for EA, and things like that.

So, to me, it's okay to hate EA as a publisher, but hating Chucklefish at publishing to the point of not buying a game published by them doesn't seem to make a lot of sense - unless you don't care about the game.
I'd rather have CA with some other publisher, of course.  Seeing the CF logo makes me cringe every time I launch the game.

Spoiler: Sustainable Farming (click to show/hide)

Money's pretty easy to get in this game. Actually, a lot of stuff seems to be with enough time, so I've imposed a self challenge - I can only buy seeds once per season, and only in year 2. After that, they all have to be made from the seed maker. In addition, I have a separate goal of having 20+ of each seed stockpiled at the end of the season, for use next year, since I won't be allowing myself to buy any seeds at all. I also have to grow every crop I can - after all, it wouldn't be healthy to eat nothing but garlic all year. 

So far, it actually works pretty well; the seed makers spit out 2-3 seeds fairly often, though this means I have a lot less to sell, so far. Because of that, I've opted to pickle or juice almost everything. It's actually making the game feel a little more challenging as I try to save up for my final gold upgrades and upgrading my house, coop, and barn. With the artisan goods, I'm still making money pretty decently (even when I'm just making parsnip juice and not 100% ancient fruit juice ).

I actually feel like I'm farming now, hah.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

On my last winter I planted about 85 tiles of Starfruits on the Greenhouse. I'm not sure how many seeds I started with, but I made 10 Seed Makers so every time a chunk of ~24 tiles was ready to harvest, I'd make enough seeds to replant and sell the remaining produce... I probably made around 200k or more from that alone. I used the deluxe fast-gro, too.
It felt pretty cool, so it's an interesting challenge. You might want to make around 20 seed makers not to be bored to death, though. 

[variablenonsense]

Think you can define what your doing a bit clearer for me? Sounds like an interesting challenge to undertake...

Sure. It's pretty simple.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Once you can make the seed-maker, you can only buy seeds one more time (per season) ever. So I started in Y2, since admittedly I was pretty lazy farming and didn't unlock it for a while, heh. Anyway.

So Spring, Y2, you can buy seeds one time - set your limit at whatever you want or can afford (10 or 20 seems reasonable to me) of each type. That's it. You can't buy any more spring seeds.

You are also required to grow every type of crop you can for the season, in relatively equal amounts if possible. This is only for the initial planting, since crops take variable amounts of time to grow. Anything past that you can decide based on your seed stock.

Any future seeds you get have to come from the seed maker. This means two things:

1. You won't get to sell all your produce, because a chunk of it will be tossed into seed making to replant. I'm making it a personal goal to keep my fields full as much as possible.
2. You also need a stockpile of seeds for next year, because you won't be allowed to buy any seeds at all. You have to rely on the seeds you've set back for that purpose. I'm hoping to be able to stockpile 20+ seeds of each thing before the end of the season.

You will be able to buy seeds one more time for Summer, and one more time for Fall, but after that all your seeds have to come from your own garden. This actually makes a pretty big difference in your sales; obviously reharvestable stuff is that much more valuable, but part of the challenge is the fact that you can't just, say, plant 400 ancient fruits. If you plant 20 of those, you have to plant 20 parsnips, 20 cauliflower, etc.

(Personally I'm limiting myself to no more than 10 ancient fruit plants at one time just because they're a lil ridiculous price-wise with wine. This breaks my roughly equal rule but they honestly feel pretty OP.)

The only time the 'can't buy seeds' would be broken would be if new seeds unlock later, but I'm not sure if any do. You'd only be allowed to buy a stock of that seed though.

I wish it was possible starting from the beginning, but without access to seed-making it's not, unfortunately.

Edit: Although, if it would be possible to mod in or edit a save to have one seed maker, it could be. Which would be pretty fun.

[Ibid Straydrink]

I think I may have broken my wife. Every day of the week, she lies in bed all day long, and when I speak to her, all she has to say for herself is something like, "I just want to stay in bed all day." Then, I plead with her to get out of bed and come help me run the farm, lest we starve during the coming winter, but she just keeps kissing me. o.O

[Gabeux]

The animal must be sick, it's time to sacrifice it...
Oops!

How many hearts do you have with her? If you have 11 hearts, sometimes she'll just want to stay on bed. If you have just 10 hearts, I believe she gets even more grumpy. With 12 hearts I don't remember the grumpiness ever happening.

[Greenbane]

I would compare it somewhat to EA. I'll never buy another Bioware game, but only because the last 4 Bioware games I bought were disappointing, not because EA is publishing them.

Only difference here is that EA is a publisher that acquires the studios that makes the games, and therefore meddles with them. I don't think Chucklefish had any power over CA like EA has over, say, Maxis, DICE and Bioware.
Example, I don't think DICE would make Battlefield Star Wars Battlefront a game of a thousand DLCs if it wasn't for EA, and things like that.

So, to me, it's okay to hate EA as a publisher, but hating Chucklefish at publishing to the point of not buying a game published by them doesn't seem to make a lot of sense - unless you don't care about the game.
I'd rather have CA with some other publisher, of course.  Seeing the CF logo makes me cringe every time I launch the game.

Yeah, it doesn't seem Chucklefish has pushed ConcernedApe in any way. They just did what any decent publisher should do: do the logistics to publish a game, without any meddling.

There's a ton of rabid, overblown hate for CF because they couldn't make their main, 15-dollar game Heaven on Earth, the masterpiece videogame of all time. So they began publishing other games. Who cares. So they are taking their time finishing Starbound. Not a big deal: they've been making steady progress. And in the meantime, there's a thousand other games to play.

Until Starbound actually crashes and burns (which doomsayers have been saying is imminent for months on end), and isn't even worthy of its modest pricetag, there's no justification for more than a fraction of the hate Chucklefish is getting. It's mainly fuelled by impatience and impossible expectations.

[Metalax]

Huh, it appears that there is a tangible benefit from hitting the top rating during the evaluation.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just appeared on the subreddit here, but apparently if you score all four candles (12-13 out of 13), if you then interact with the shrine again it gives you a statue that daily gives out a small quantity of iridium ore.

edit: also apparently in the beta build, CA has added the ability to give the shrine a diamond to give a reevaluation. So once that get's pushed to the main build, oddball farm choices won't lock you out of eventually reaching completion.

[BigD145]

Huh, it appears that there is a tangible benefit from hitting the top rating during the evaluation.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just appeared on the subreddit here, but apparently if you score all four candles (12-13 out of 13), if you then interact with the shrine again it gives you a statue that daily gives out a small quantity of iridium ore.

edit: also apparently in the beta build, CA has added the ability to give the shrine a diamond to give a reevaluation. So once that get's pushed to the main build, oddball farm choices won't lock you out of eventually reaching completion.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If you can score perfectly, what need do you have for iridium? Haven't you already won the game and built everything that requires iridium?

[Sanctume]

I need a spoiler answer on what to do with Ancient Seed. The min/max player in me, fear to use it, lol.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Its 20 of Spring.  I had the Ancient Seed earlier, but kept it in the chest. 
Wiki / Reddit readings says plant it, wait 28 days for it to fully grow?  Then Harvest every 8 days?

So I did not plant it because if season changes, plant dies?
But if it grows 28 days, how can it be harvested?

I read about Seed Maker, and I think this is Farming level 9, and I'm still far away, so this means I have to level up, build the Seed Maker, and make ancient seeds before planting the ancient seeds?

Any info or spoiler is appreciated.  I just want to use this ancient seed in the most profitable way as possible.

[Mephisto]

I need a spoiler answer on what to do with Ancient Seed. The min/max player in me, fear to use it, lol.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Its 20 of Spring.  I had the Ancient Seed earlier, but kept it in the chest. 
Wiki / Reddit readings says plant it, wait 28 days for it to fully grow?  Then Harvest every 8 days?

So I did not plant it because if season changes, plant dies?
But if it grows 28 days, how can it be harvested?

I read about Seed Maker, and I think this is Farming level 9, and I'm still far away, so this means I have to level up, build the Seed Maker, and make ancient seeds before planting the ancient seeds?

Any info or spoiler is appreciated.  I just want to use this ancient seed in the most profitable way as possible.

What I'm about to say really isn't a spoiler.

Some plants can grow in multiple seasons. I think this may even be stated on corn.

Spoiler: Actual minor spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ancient seeds grow in all seasons but winter. If you're really worried about losing it, keep one fruit in a box until you get your seed maker.

[frostshotgg]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It lasts Spring-Fall. Plant it as soon as you get it. You should have enough to get 3 maybe 4 harvests out of it. Don't sell those fruits, save them for when you get the seed maker.

[Gabeux]

Huh, it appears that there is a tangible benefit from hitting the top rating during the evaluation.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just appeared on the subreddit here, but apparently if you score all four candles (12-13 out of 13), if you then interact with the shrine again it gives you a statue that daily gives out a small quantity of iridium ore.

edit: also apparently in the beta build, CA has added the ability to give the shrine a diamond to give a reevaluation. So once that get's pushed to the main build, oddball farm choices won't lock you out of eventually reaching completion.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If you can score perfectly, what need do you have for iridium? Haven't you already won the game and built everything that requires iridium?

That sounds better. As I said before, I don't like a final evaluation on an open-ended game that lasts dozens of hours to 'complete'. The diamond thing sounds really great.

And about BigD145 question:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I don't think your tools counts to the score, and I 'finished' the game with only an Iridium pickaxe because I couldn't find enough iridium for all the tools. It's not really required.
And there are machines that use a ton of iridium if you want to make more than one of them, like the Crystallarium and a few others. I expect content updates and mods that use Iridium too.
The dev has mentioned having interest on expensive end-game items that serve as resource dumps for people who really makes a silly amount of money/resources.