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[Greenbane]

Except prisoners have traits like stoic/fearless.  I have armed guards patrolling the cells too. 

Seriously though, luxury solitary works for me and my playstyle.  Forever angry prisoners ain't a problem to micromanage... and a +24 hour timeout keeps them out of trouble for that long.

True. Betrays the fact I haven't played in a while: I had forgotten about those traits.

It's a bit wonky that solitary means spa for those immune to suppression, and especially legendaries. So a tangential question: are executions properly implemented yet?

Ideally, perpetually problematic, genocidal super prisoners would end up first in line to the chair. Crimes committed in the prison weren't properly computed into the prisoners' history: I don't remember they even added years to the guy's sentence, back when I last played.

[Aklyon]

Execution is still only for Death Row prisoners, I think. Everyone else you can just perma-brig if you need to, and they'll get fed. Probably.

[miauw62]

eh, i once tried building a prison entirely composed of 1-tile solitary cells and a big canteen.

didn't have enough staff to feed them all.

[Aklyon]

Did you also have a kitchen?

[miauw62]

i think i did, yeah.
i confused canteen and kitchen, there.
might also have been the fact that there were literally a bit over a thousand cells, so the staff just couldnt get there on time.

[Zangi]

Well, make eating time ALL the time.  And have multiple smaller canteens and kitchens dotted around the place for coverage.

And having over 1k filled cells should afford you over 400 guards and still allow you to make a killing...  Considering that you can minimize a lot of other expenses.

EDIT: And its not like it matters if they die from starvation... it doesn't count against your statistics. (Unless that changed.)

[puke]

are these 1x1 solitaries?  are you filling them with max-sec or supermax?

I thought the supermax guys were supposed to be able to tear down solitary doors if they decided to.  Dont they decide to riot eventually if you dont give them beds or attend to any of their needs? 

[miauw62]

supermax? you mean legendaries?

anyway, i just had maximum intake for everyone, all the time. except death row, i guess. its hard to fill 1000 cells when the prisoners already inside keep dying.

not that i cant just use sandbox mode for this, but oh well.

a big problem was also constructing the thing. the copying feature has a size limit and builders kept getting themselves/materials stuck at any point where two walls intersected, or they wouldnt get anyone stuck at all, which is just as bad because you have to deconstruct one of the walls for them to be able to build on that tile.

even with like a hundred builders it took AGES.

[Zangi]

a big problem was also constructing the thing. the copying feature has a size limit and builders kept getting themselves/materials stuck at any point where two walls intersected, or they wouldnt get anyone stuck at all, which is just as bad because you have to deconstruct one of the walls for them to be able to build on that tile.

even with like a hundred builders it took AGES.

Build along '1 line' at a time to prevent that.  Wait till they build the wall up before adding in the next set.  Far less micromanagement shenanigans to deal with.  Or I guess build it unevenly, which is like blasphemy to me.


Also, should still be making oodles of money on intake alone.  Their survival ain't needed to collect.

And supermax isn't a prisoner type, its an optional designation you can put em in, like protective custody.

[puke]

ah, I thought legendaries/supermax were a step up from high-risk/maxsec.  no extra funds from that prisoner type?

[Aklyon]

ah, I thought legendaries/supermax were a step up from high-risk/maxsec.  no extra funds from that prisoner type?

You don't get to know which ones they when they show up, so nope.

[Sergius]

ah, I thought legendaries/supermax were a step up from high-risk/maxsec.  no extra funds from that prisoner type?

You get the money from the security you assign them (supermax $ = maxsec $). Which I guess is why everyone who plays this sets everyone to at least Max. Traits give no extra cash.

[Aklyon]

Setting everyone to max takes effort, though, and I'm pretty sure they equalized the per-day profit regardless of status when they gave you the intake bonus thats higher for max sec and lower for other-sec.

[Zangi]

It does take a lot of effort.  Micromanagement I specifically ignore. 

I have zero problems with making money. 
Staff: 150-ish guards, 10-ish armed guards, 30-ish dogs, 50-ish cooks... 
Other expenses: high/high meals... and 10k daily cost on reform programs
Population: 300-400 out of my 500 prisoners are lowsec.
Finances: 15k-20k in the green, daily
Fun Note: Shop pays for daily prisoner wages less some amount, I've got everything but the Workshop. 
Opened mail apocalypse every day in dorms and holding cell... especially the holding cell.  Glad that stuff disappears on its own... else I'd need a full time cleaning crew just working on that...
Its a 'new' prison, after Update#1, but roughly 30 snitches and ex-types have been shanked so far.

I'm not done with the prison yet either...  I've still to heavily expand housing for medsec and maxsec... and by jah, I need to tear down a few sections too.  It ain't 'right' yet.


EDIT: The sad thing is that I've still yet to get a gang leader after all this playtime.  Still need to section out some common rooms or something, specifically for the gangs to takeover...  Bastards are pretty rare.

[Cheeetar]

EDIT: The sad thing is that I've still yet to get a gang leader after all this playtime.  Still need to section out some common rooms or something, specifically for the gangs to takeover...  Bastards are pretty rare.

Part of this might be due to your prison being primarily low-sec. IIRC medium-sec and high-sec have increasingly higher chances of being gang members compared to low-sec.