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[TopHat]

So then, Uk. Ranger, a few things:
1. I've said this before, we shouldn't sell the small craft. I'm against even getting the prices for them. And hiring new ones with the money is tantamount to herasy.
2. Converting cargo/docking space into important places is risky. We know the frequency of them being breached. I agree with 4&5 though.
3. Increase priority of medbay, also add a skiff missile or two to alleviate the lack of PD.
Max will dock the ship.

We could also possible convert a couple of the nuclear rods into a warhead for one of the stealth missiles. As a sort of 'get out of jail free' card in case we're doomed and the jump drives are out of action. It's illegal, but could save us.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

1. I've said this before, we shouldn't sell the small craft. I'm against even getting the prices for them. And hiring new ones with the money is tantamount to herasy.

I can't understand this not look at option position....

Yes, cargo shuttle is good for trading with surface planets (and for storing important cargo) But right from the beginning it is hanging here and doing nothing! Had we sold it in the first port we could have better ship and easier battles
Red rocket is good for boarding\misc tasks, and I rather keep it if price is not really good (and technically Shia owns it)
Fighters...  they will be good after a proper upgrade... right now they are just the first stage of our missiles... we will not be that lucky to have asteroids to hide them. Proper fighters will rape them in dogfighting. As well as a decent point defense. We need fighters to protect us, not attack other ships (cause we have our big guns for that)

As for not spending money to get more small crafts... pfff... imagine getting a good, modern fighter with good pilot for some modest salary per week. It will be far more useful than getting second turret. Buying such fighter would cost us way more than loaning it

2. Converting cargo/docking space into important places is risky. We know the frequency of them being breached.

If I remember correctly, the dock hasn't been hit once... As for cargo bays, i am sure that it's a matter of luck. I doubt that cargo bays are more likely to get hit than engines or weapons.

3. Increase priority of medbay, also add a skiff missile or two to alleviate the lack of PD.

Skiff missile it may be useful, but I think the GM will give us a big list of missiles and railgun shells too chose from

We could also possible convert a couple of the nuclear rods into a warhead for one of the stealth missiles.

I doubt that we have nuclear scientists... And it's too illegal to my taste. Any inspection will find it, radiation is hard to hide.

[TopHat]

1. The cargo shuttle has more cargo space then the salvation. We wouldn't be able to carry the rewards from the MMC without it. Also the key word was I'm against selling so we can hire new ships. I'm fine with hiring, just not selling and using the money for hiring. *sighs* get the prices then. I still say don't sell.
2. True, but a matter of luck is still a chance, especially with an auxiliary reactor. Also the dock not getting hit is probably also just a matter of chance.
3. True.
4. I guess you're right, that was a bit naive of me.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

1. The cargo shuttle has more cargo space then the salvation. We wouldn't be able to carry the rewards from the MMC without it

Nothing stopped us from loading minerals in unmodified dock bay,  that kind of cargo can tolerate bad conditions. We have something like 10 000 cargo space here, the only problem is loading\unloading and lack of right conditions (temperature\air pressure mostly)
Keeping cargo shuttle as a cargo bay is weird, because we may convert dock space into a cargo bay directly and I suspect it's not expensive at all

Also the key word was I'm against selling so we can hire new ships. I'm fine with hiring, just not selling and using the money for hiring.

Let's imagine a situation... we sell all our small crafts, spend cash on upgrades and get our dock filled with hired pilots and their crafts. What is bad in this situation (as long as we keep making money to pay wages)

2. True, but a matter of luck is still a chance, especially with an auxiliary reactor. Also the dock not getting hit is probably also just a matter of chance.

Than let's remove anything valuable from the ship Then it will  not get hit Useful space is better than empty space by definition Even more: doubling key systems is a good  idea( I'd really like the second reactor room, either for fission reactors or cheap civilian ones without the need to remove damaged reactors from our main reactor room. )

[TopHat]

1. And what about the things that can't just go in bad conditions?
2. Just a feeling. Anyway, availability may change, and hired pilots would doubtless have other demands. Also, they may not be willing to go into very dangerous situations, or demand a bonus for it. Anyway, would you sell say, a house, and use the money to rent a house?
3. We've already established that the reactors and other important things are well protected - not right next to the edge of a ship, as a docking bay is. Would you put a nuclear reactor in the area that excessively dangerous? I don't even know why we're arguing about this, we couldn't even repair all our reactors, and lack the expertise to set up a nuclear reactor anyway, as you've already pointed out.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

1. And what about the things that can't just go in bad conditions?

That's why I want to convert one dock place in a proper cargo bay with proper conditions... Or buy shuttle sized container and keep it in the docking bay.

Anyway, would you sell say, a house, and use the money to rent a house?

If I have a stable source of income need and I have a reason to move - sure ( of cause I'd prefer to rent my house)

We've already established that the reactors and other important things are well protected

I remember such words about fuel tanks, not sure about reactors.

Would you put a nuclear reactor in the area that excessively dangerous?

That is a problem, we should study our options

we couldn't even repair all our reactors

Buying new may be a better solution than repairing damaged ( of cause we'll repair them later, but short time solution is always an option)

and lack the expertise to set up a nuclear reactor anyway, as you've already pointed out.

Making nuclear warheads and using standard fuel cells for standard reactors are absolutely different things. I suspect that it's not hard to do, if we can get a reactor legally. You mixing my intentions to get more information about the the possibility and doing something

[TopHat]

1. True, we could buy large storage containers...
2. Hmm... Just depends with people then. I'd personally prefer to own it.
3. *looks back* whoops, my bad. Still, I'd assume that they'd be in a safe location.
4. Ah. With absolutely no experience in setting up nuclear reactors, forgive me if I was mistaken. I assumed it would be tricky, along with actually transferring the power to things that needed it.

You mixing my intentions to get more information about the the possibility and doing something

I know this is just for information, I just feel like getting my views across for some reason.

[10ebbor10]

We could also possible convert a couple of the nuclear rods into a warhead for one of the stealth missiles. As a sort of 'get out of jail free' card in case we're doomed and the jump drives are out of action. It's illegal, but could save us.

Not really going to happen. Reactor grade uranium isn't even close to weapongrade nuclear material. Besides, the fuel rods are made of Thorium anyway.(Which was not mentioned till now, but...). Anything more complicated than a dirty bomb or a meltingwarhead (Ie, melting into a ships hull) is not going to happen, and having a overheating mass of nuclear material radiating in all directions kinda defeats the point of stealth.

2. Converting cargo/docking space into important places is risky. We know the frequency of them being breached.

If I remember correctly, the dock hasn't been hit once... As for cargo bays, i am sure that it's a matter of luck. I doubt that cargo bays are more likely to get hit than engines or weapons.
Actually, the cargo bays have a +- four times larger chance of being hit than the engines or weapons. Might chance when I get to making the latest changes to the design.

3. Increase priority of medbay, also add a skiff missile or two to alleviate the lack of PD.

Skiff missile it may be useful, but I think the GM will give us a big list of missiles and railgun shells too chose from
Uhm, about that. Still have to do some work on that.

1. True, we could buy large storage containers...
2. Hmm... Just depends with people then. I'd personally prefer to own it.
3. *looks back* whoops, my bad. Still, I'd assume that they'd be in a safe location.
4. Ah. With absolutely no experience in setting up nuclear reactors, forgive me if I was mistaken. I assumed it would be tricky, along with actually transferring the power to things that needed it.

They are. Reminds me of the fact that I still have to finish the map of the Salvation. (I could give you a written description of the decks, but I'm not sure about everything yet.)

There's a difference between your current, fusion reactors (haven't mentioned this, but planned to elaborate on these in the next post) and a nuclear power cell.

[Aseaheru]

we still need to trade the fancy rations for normal ones. feed one person for a year to, oh, say 10 people for a year?

[10ebbor10]

we still need to trade the fancy rations for normal ones. feed one person for a year to, oh, say 10 people for a year?

And why would anyone make such a trade?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I think he mixes high quality and luxurious... As far as I understand that something like chocolate and equal to normal food, just taking less place

[Aseaheru]

oh. ok. i thought that it was like, say, really good, expensive things. my bad...

[GreatWyrmGold]

"If we're keeping this dreck up, we'll need a medbay soon. Unless we want Private here to be the main medic..."

"What, I'm not fancy enough for you?  College is overrated, doc."

"I'm not doubting your competence in your field, just the versatility of said field."

Also the key word was I'm against selling so we can hire new ships. I'm fine with hiring, just not selling and using the money for hiring.

Let's imagine a situation... we sell all our small crafts, spend cash on upgrades and get our dock filled with hired pilots and their crafts. What is bad in this situation (as long as we keep making money to pay wages)

Expense.

2. True, but a matter of luck is still a chance, especially with an auxiliary reactor. Also the dock not getting hit is probably also just a matter of chance.

Than let's remove anything valuable from the ship Then it will  not get hit Useful space is better than empty space by definition Even more: doubling key systems is a good  idea( I'd really like the second reactor room, either for fission reactors or cheap civilian ones without the need to remove damaged reactors from our main reactor room. )

Let's only put things we can deal with getting hit in the vulnerable areas--most important stuff is safely deep in the ship.

[Aseaheru]

upgrade sensors and jumping so they have computer assist. sell everything but most meds.

[10ebbor10]

News Headlines

AL-568 Virus Pandemic Reaches Kumat

With now more than 7 planets infected, millions having died already, and billions being affected the devastating epidemic has become a real threat to the Nation. Seeing the recent infection of the Kumat system, the alliance has decided to extend the current quarantine with 5 sectors. Million of refugees are leaving the infected planets, despite the Alliance outlawing all travel within infected systems. Massive refugee fleets have formed around the disabled jump points, and things are becoming bleak for them. Their overcrowded ships are often not meant for prolonged flights, and their supplies are running out.

With no cure in sight, the alliance can do nothing else than enforce the quarantine and prevent further infection.

"Pirate Threat overstated"

According to Alliance spokesman, Davy Decumber, the Pirate threat is being blown way out of proportion by private security firms and insurance compagnies, in order to drive up prices. In other ways, this means that the Alliance will not follow the plea of the outer sectors for extra intervention forces.

While others care about the ship, Diana spend her time hanging with military in local bars looking for rumors and opportunities. She will happily brag about the fight with pirate frigates (slightly improve the real story by making frigates better armed and armored then they were and omitting the part when salvation ran away from pirate reinforcements) 

You find some soldiers who are rather interested by your story. It appears that they are bound for the Kumat system, in order to enforce the quarantine. It does appears that the information you had must have been interesting, as you get an invititation from the captain to discuss some matters over tea.

Spoiler: Available goods (click to show/hide)

Missiles
 Aegis Missile (Small, very fast, decent range , extremely small payload): 125 each (73 available)
 Mosquito missile (Small, fact, decent range, small payload): 75 each (123 avaible)
 Dummy misille (Small-Large, decent range, no payload): 20 each (Avaible in all sorts/ sizes)
 Firelance missile (Small, long range, dumbfire, medium payload): 75 (65 avaible)
 Dragonfly anti fighter missile (Small, long range, Image recognition, Small-medium payload): 100 (65)
 Emergency flare (Longe range, large, slow ,thermic payload designed to show up on radar screens) :50
 Skiff missile (Designed to confuse enemy targetting, slow, short ranged) : 20

Weaponry
Chemical laser (requires ammo) Size M                  : 250  (This is a normal laser, not for point defense)
PD laser: Size M    (0.25 power)                             : 500 
Hull cutter: Size XS (0.1 power, very short range, powerfull for it's size) : 150

Flak cannon: (Size M, uses ammo, targets everything, very short range): 300
Fighter railgun (Size XS, uses ammo, medium range): 150
Electromagnetic grapple (Size M, short range, 0.5 power): 200

Ammunition:

LD railgun shells: 10/unit (125 aviable) (warning large, hard to stop)
HD railgun shells: 20/ unit (367 available)
Explosive railgun shells: 50/unit (223 avaible)
Shrapnel railgun shells: 25/unit (76 avaible)

Flak ammo: 5/unit (1 ammo used per enemy targetted)
Chemical laser ammo: 5/ unit
Fighter ammo: 1/unit

General:
Fuel: 2 credits each
Food: 0.5 credits each
Basic space suit: 1 credit
Mechanised space suit: 50 credits

Equipment:
Simple tools: 250
Advanced tools: 575
Drop/boarding/ escape pod (10 people max): 275
Nuclear power cell: 500 (Produces 0.5 power) Doesn't come with fuel rods. Produces heat. Fairly large
Basic Medical equipment: 500
Advanced medical equipment: 2000
Simple targetting assist: 500 (More than this you're not going to get easily, as it is either military software or incompactible with your ship)
Battery power unit: Stores 5 power ,large : 500

Ship parts: (Note that all civilian parts will take more time to switch between different energy production)
Civilian Pulse fusion reactor (Produces 0.5 power): 450
Civilian Tomatak fusion reactor (Produces 0.75 power): 600
Civilian Industrial fusion reactor (Produces 2 power): 1500


Resources: (A system repair will need about 10 of these, with difference on how complicated they are)
Simple electronics 10/unit
Electronics 25/ unit
Complex electronics: 50/unit

MQ resources: 10/ unit
HQ: 25/unit

Hull plating:

Dunarim light hull plating: 1/unit
Teladine hull plating: 5/unit
Reflective hull plating: 20/unit (Better against laser hits, and operating close to stars)
Reactive hull plating: 20/unit (Better against kinetic hits)
Stealth hull plating: 25/unit

Spoiler: Sell list (click to show/hide)

Minerals: 20/unit
Jumpcore: 1500
Cargo shuttle: 1250
Fighter: 600
Damaged reactor: worthless
Space suit: worthless

Spoiler: List of repairs (click to show/hide)

Laser repair: 100
Cargo bay to workshop: Depends on equipment placed
Docking to cargo: 500 (not easily reversible. Lots of stuff needs to be cut away(docking clamps and such) (former)Docking will be used to dump heat/ other bad stuff if needed. Gives 1250 cargo space)
Medbay conversion: Depends on equipment
Luxury chambers: Anywher from 50 -500
Aux reactor room: 500 (not including cost for cutting away stuff. Cargo bay is space for 1 small reactor, docking for 5)
Fighter repair: 100 (for upgrades, give me something and I'll see. The fighters armour is made for 20 units of duranim)
Repaint: 200 (Free if you buy any major structural improvements.)
 
Complete structural fix: 6300
     -Weapon mounts fix: 250 each
     -Getting the salvation Aerocapable: 1300 (Needs Aux engine fix and armor fix too(atleast teladine))
Reactor fix: 1000 each
Jumpcapacitor fix: 750 for secundary, 2000 for full
Main engine fix: 750 each (You got 2 main engines)
Auxilary thruster fix: 125 each
Duranim patch replacement: 160
Teladine: 800

Spoiler: Hiring (click to show/hide)

Nobody found yet.

- Station investigation(Galven system)
- MMC operations

Spoiler: Sector Map (click to show/hide)

Galven System
      -Inner system
      -Outer system
Merope
     -Inner system
     -Outer system
Cor caroli Shipyard
Pirate sector
Pirate sector
Pirate base

Spoiler: Merope (click to show/hide)

Orbital fuel refinery A
Merope 3 trade hub Trade hub

Spoiler: Assets and reputations (click to show/hide)

Credits: 2050
Merchants: +1
MMC

Spoiler: Salvation (click to show/hide)

Armour: Depleted, several holes ( 4490 Good. 1220 damaged, 170 Teladine, 140 LQ plating)
Structural: 1740/3000
Power supply: 4/8
Fuel: 319/2000
Crew: 30 (1 wounded)
              -2 Pirate faction A

Subsystems:
       -Weaponry:
             - 4 Lasers
             Integrity:54/60; Power: 1/2
             - 4 Rail guns
             Integrity:60/60; Power: 0/1;Ammunition: 1 slugs, 2 arrow, 20 fighter shells
             - Turrets: [1/4 mounted] [Plasma cannon]
             Integrity:30/60 Power: 0.5/0.5
             - 4 Missile launchers
             Integrity:60/60; Missiles: 11/20
                    -Tow missile (1)
                    -Mosquito missiles (2)
                    -4 aegis missiles (Very fast, agile, Very low payload)
                    -2 Zephyrus Orbit to air missiles (slow, large target, laser guided, High payload)
                    -2  Wasp missiles (fast, unguided, small payload)


      -Control
      Integrity: 20/20 Manned; MQ computing system; Cargoship OS

      -Sensors No computer Assistance
            -MQ Passive sensor:online
            Integrity: 30/30
            -MQ Active (Targetting) sensor: online
            Integrity: 40/40

       -Lifesupport
       Integrity: 60/60;Power use: 1/1; Heat: Normal (1/20)

       -Reactors
         4/8:Online;Integrity:40/40;
         4/8:Offline;Integrity:2.5/40;

       -Jumpdrive
           -Jumpcore
            Integrity: 75/80Charge: 50%
            -Jumpcontrol:
            Integrity: 40/40;Manual control;Slow automatic calc
            -Jumpcapacitors
            Integrity: 26/80; Tertiary capacitor only Power: 1/3

       -Engines
            - Main engines down (Severely damaged)
            Integrity: 10/100 Power: 0/2
            -Auxilary thrusters
            Integrity:40/80;4/8 Online Power: 0.5/1

       -Docking bay  (4/5)
               -Cargo shuttle (142/400 fuel)
               Integrity: 80/80;Armor: 200/200; Cargo:750/1000
                          -Rare minerals[75]
               -"Red Rocket" (Lamprey class boat) (43/100 fuel)
               Integrity: 60/60;Armor: 60/60; Railguns: Online;Ammo: 80/100 Cargo:0/10
               -Pirate Fighter (20/50 fuel)                                   
Integrity: 46/60;Armor: 14/20; Missiles(2/2): Handmade Missile   Cargo:0/20
               -Pirate Fighter (20/50 fuel)                                     
Integrity: 60/60;Armor: 20/20; Missiles(2/2): Handmade Missile Cargo:0/20

       -Cargo Bays (4)
           -Cargo Bay A
           Integrity: 40/40; Cargo:200/200
           -Cargo Bay B
           Integrity: 40/40; Cargo: 200/200
           -Cargo Bay C
           Integrity:40/40; Cargo: 200/200
           -Cargo Bay D
           Integrity:40/40; Cargo: 200/200

       -Habitation
           -Common room
           -10 4 people chambers
           -3 20 people chambers
Cargo: (312,4/400)
368 units of food (1 unit per crewmember per day) [184]
Plenty of low quality scrap metal and damaged armour/hull plating [40]
29 spacesuits (Modified emergency suits, not that durable, nor usefull.) [2.9]
75 units of railgun ammunition [Scrap Based, S] [9.5]
11 Empty rail gun shells [Scrapbased, L] [11]
8 ballista arrows [Scrap based, M] [4]
9 HD slugs [Scrapbased, L] [9]
Advanced tools [20]
2 Crawler drones [10]
3 Hand made missiles(Slow, unguided, Medium payload) [Unreliable] [3]
2 Poltergeist missiles (stealth, fast, self guided, 2 stage missile, no payload)[8]
Frigate Jump core [10]
1 box of medicine [1]
2 boxes seeds [2]
Nuclear power cells [1]
HQ rations [1]

Spoiler: Fuel Use (click to show/hide)

Short use (Dodging, in area short movement)
- Cargo shuttle: 5 fuel
- Lamprey: 1 fuel
- Auxilary engines: 1.25 each
- Main engines: 10 each
Medium use(Exploration of sector, moving between relatively close sectors)
-Cargo shuttle: 10 fuel
- Lamprey: 5 fuel
- Auxilary engines : 2.5 each (Note, even at the best of times you can only use 4 due to their placement)
- Main engines : 15 each
Long term use (Moving between relatively far away sectors)
-Cargo shuttle: 25 fuel
- Lamprey: 10 fuel
- Auxilary engines : 7.5 each (Note, Even at the best of times you can only use 4 at once due to their placement)
- Main engines : 25 each

Spoiler: Characters (click to show/hide)

-John Gibson (TylerTheCreator)
     -Gunner
-Promtho (Terra 162)
     -Engineer
-Diana Banks (Ukrainian Ranger)
     -Diplomat
-George William Gyralt (GreatWyrmWold)
     -Doctor
-Legion McCaffee (Dariush)
     -Mechanic
Max Lukasson (Tophat)
     -Pilot
-Baxter (Hubris Incalculable)
    -Computer Technician
Charlie Phelps (The Card)
    -Field medic
Shia Trotsky (GotdamnMiracle) [wounded]
    -Recon
David Chapel
    -Head of personnel
Domas (Aseaheru)
   -EVA

Spoiler: Memoranda (click to show/hide)

If you want an action executed by the crew, just type and bold it. If you want it to be done by your character, please explicitedly state so, and use bold +Italics.
Character actions might be ignored during conflicts or for secret GM reasons.

Anyway, going to list combat modifiers just because I can. These are not used in the previous encounter, because the system wasn't ready. These can be subject to additional modifiers from player actions.

For targetting:
Cruiser class weaponry: - 4
No targetting computer: -1
Laser weaponry: +2
Plasma weaponry: +4
MQ targetting sensor: +1 (No sensor= -2)
Evasive manoevres: +2 (Requires thrusters)
Cruiser: -2
Frigate: -1
Corvette:0

Damage:
Cruiser class weaponry: + 4
Depends on rail gun ammo: +X
Cruiser class medium armor: +6
armor damage: -2

Spoiler: Notes (click to show/hide)

On fighter energy production. All 3 of your fighters run of a single hydrogen power cell, which can provide a lot of power(0.1) for it's size, but needs to be recharged every so often. They also have a standard 1 power battery for lifesupport and such. Engines require marginal power.

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