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Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« on: September 09, 2012, 11:58:28 pm »

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THOUSANDS of students in an east China city are being forced to work at a Foxconn plant after classes were suspended at the beginning of the new semester, it has been revealed.

Students from Huai'an in Jiangsu Province were driven to a factory in the city run by Taiwan's Foxconn Technology Company after the plant couldn't find sufficient workers for the production of Apple's much-anticipated iPhone 5, they said in online posts.

A student majoring in computing at the Huaiyin Institute of Technology said 200 students from her school had been driven to the factory.

They started work on the production line last Thursday and were being paid 1,550 yuan (US$243.97) a month for working six days a week, she said.

But they had to pay hundreds of yuan for food and accommodation, she said in an online post under the name of mengniuIQ84.

Several other students from at least five colleges backed up what she said, saying they were being forced to work for 12 hours a day.

Badly disrupted

A Jiangsu Institute of Finance and Economy student called Youyoyu said students from departments of law, English and management were all working at the plant.

A Huai'an University student posting under the name of Dalingzhuimengnan said Foxconn was badly in need of 10,000 workers but students were looking forward to returning to classrooms to continue their academic studies which had been seriously disrupted.

MengniuIQ84 wrote that the authorities had ordered the schools to send students to assist Foxconn but said that the factory neither informed parents nor signed agreements with students.

One or two schools had canceled their internship programs with Foxcon after media exposure and pressure from the public, she said, but her institute had no plans to do so and had even punished students who had tried to leave the factory.

Fear of revenge

Yu Fangqiang, executive director of Nanjing-based Tianxiagong, a non-government organization focusing on policy advocacy regarding social issues, said he wanted to help students take legal action against their schools.

But some refused for fear of schools taking revenge by not allowing them to graduate, he said.

According to a China National Radio report, teachers from local schools admitted suspending routine classes over the next one or two months. They said the internships were a compulsory course for students to "experience working conditions and promote individual ability," the report said.

The Huai'an Education Bureau said they were aware such programs ran during the summer break but did not know that schools had continued them into the new semester.

An official, who refused to be named, said it was a common practice to send students to renowned companies and factories, something that served the enterprises and expanded students' horizons, he said.

"It's hard for students to find jobs which are precisely related to their majors. Therefore, they are encouraged to go to factories to learn more about society," he said.

However, Wu Dong, a lawyer, said the practice violated higher education laws and labor laws and the schools, education and labor rights authorities and Foxconn could be sued.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=511136
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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 12:15:09 am »

Cruel and unusual industrial.

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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2012, 12:16:01 am »

Oh no, I'm waiting for confirmation on this one, not with what happened with the last egregious Foxconn abuse story.
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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2012, 12:24:58 am »

Oh no, I'm waiting for confirmation on this one, not with what happened with the last egregious Foxconn abuse story.
I didn't hear about that one- tell us more?
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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 12:34:59 am »

Oh no, I'm waiting for confirmation on this one, not with what happened with the last egregious Foxconn abuse story.
I didn't hear about that one- tell us more?
NPR actually retracted a whole story on Foxconn abuses.
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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 12:46:00 am »

Capitalism wins again
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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 12:46:33 am »

A very popular podcast by This American Life about Foxconn horror stories was partially retracted. Reading up on it, it sounds more like "journalism as usual" than outrageous fabrication.

The more interesting question is why everyone associates Foxconn with Apple - Acer, Dell, hp, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba are good customers too.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 12:59:25 am »

Reading up on it, it sounds more like "journalism as usual" than outrageous fabrication.

No, he outright lied about many many things.  Journalists shouldn't do that even at their worst, and usually only bend the truth in stupid ways as par. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 01:27:59 am »

I find it a little amusing how in America there's so many complaints about not having jobs and not being able to find paid internships or even any internships at all, and in China they're forcibly shipping students out to jobs and calling them internships to expand their horizons.

That said, America's minimum wage is probably much, much kinder compared to China's minimum wage. America's also surprisingly free compared to the majority of people living in the majority of the world, despite how often people like to exclaim about tyranny and oppression and having no freedom here.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 01:33:43 am »

despite how often people like to exclaim about tyranny and oppression and having no freedom here.

Because laws that coerce people into not coercing others takes their freedoms away, and one's freedom to harm others is more important than someone's freedom from harm.

See:  Any argument against regulation of any form.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 01:55:59 am »

I find it a little amusing how in America there's so many complaints about not having jobs and not being able to find paid internships or even any internships at all, and in China they're forcibly shipping students out to jobs and calling them internships to expand their horizons.

That said, America's minimum wage is probably much, much kinder compared to China's minimum wage. America's also surprisingly free compared to the majority of people living in the majority of the world, despite how often people like to exclaim about tyranny and oppression and having no freedom here.
In America there actually is a problem where you go to "internships", and they use you as labor (and the kind of labor that won't actually teach you any skills or help you in your life at all), except they don't pay you as all.
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2012, 02:00:23 am »

Your "payment" is getting actually hired later. Assuming you actually get hired.

Not disgusting at all. Nope.
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 02:55:20 am »

Your "payment" is getting actually hired later. Assuming you actually get hired.

Not disgusting at all. Nope.

As he mentioned above, since a lot of unpaid interns are basically used to do gruntwork and not taught anything, you probably won't be competitive with someone who has training.
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2012, 03:00:20 am »

If it helps, the director at my school outright said that if our internships ever go the way of 'serving coffee and cleaning the bathrooms' then we should inform him immediately so he can lay the smackdown.

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Re: Oh, Apple, you so crazy.
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2012, 04:57:34 am »

 *dons sceptipecles*

I won't quite believe this yet.

Also, some interns are pretty good and pay you too, like this one programming intern I saw on the internets which sadly I can't apply for in the future, due to a lack of a permanent work permit...

It's kinda like free Nexon cash promotions, strangely. Some are outrageously cheaty, others are pretty decent and actually do give what they advertise.
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