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GiglameshDespair

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Saving metal bars with armour
« on: September 08, 2012, 01:16:36 pm »

My fortress is very low in metal. Therefore, I have equipped all my military dwarves with leather armour over chain. If I remember the amount of bars needed for both chain and plate correctly, that should save me two metal bars per dwarf.

Am I correct?
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2012, 02:18:07 pm »

Mail shirts take two metal, breastplates three. So if you're using leather armour instead of metal breastplates, then that's three bars per dwarf saved. Are you using leather shields as well?
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2012, 02:29:03 pm »

I generally use wooden shields because in my experiences dorfs shield bash incredibly rarely and I can use my highly expieranced carpenter to make good quality shields (plus they're cheap, light and disposable). Not sure I've ever actually made a metal shield. How many bars do they take?

If you could make gold shields, it would be awesome. High value, heavy bash, and are simply awesome. Imagine your elite guards all having to have golden helms to meet a noble demands for a fancy looking guard.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 02:54:28 pm »

Shields take one bar.

You could make gold shields via reaction, though the forge isn't a workshop you can add reactions to. I usually keep a set of blank reactions and workshops in the raws, so that I can 'add' them mid-game if necessary.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 03:48:38 pm »

Consider leggings instead of greaves and low boots instead of high ones too. Never tried with regular metals, but that did save me some wafers without (or I believe so) sacrificing coverage.
A side question: is that greed really that necessary? I've always found that ~30 bars of imported steel and ~50 imported bronzes per year is as easy as one masterful yak meat roast [57].
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 03:52:21 pm »

Shields take one bar.

You could make gold shields via reaction, though the forge isn't a workshop you can add reactions to. I usually keep a set of blank reactions and workshops in the raws, so that I can 'add' them mid-game if necessary.

No need for a reaction, just set the raws so that golden armor is allowed.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 04:02:29 pm »

Yeah, but then you get the caravans turning up with gold breastplates and gold gauntlets and such.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 04:08:02 pm »

Shields take one bar.

You could make gold shields via reaction, though the forge isn't a workshop you can add reactions to. I usually keep a set of blank reactions and workshops in the raws, so that I can 'add' them mid-game if necessary.

No need for a reaction, just set the raws so that golden armor is allowed.

Yeah, but then you get the caravans turning up with gold breastplates and gold gauntlets and such.

Why is this a bad thing?
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012, 04:15:06 pm »

Gold sucks for anything but shields and other bludgeoning items. You could accept it as the price you pay for having gold shields, but we already have a heavy, soft material that's not really good for much. At least copper's price reflects its usefulness.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 04:29:18 pm »

Gold sucks for anything but shields and other bludgeoning items. You could accept it as the price you pay for having gold shields, but we already have a heavy, soft material that's not really good for much. At least copper's price reflects its usefulness.
Copper's great for shields, picks, and training.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 04:31:12 pm »

Training?
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 04:33:27 pm »

Yeah, you can quickly pound a few out to start training shield user. As I said, I prefer to churn out a few dozen wooden shields and call it a day.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2012, 04:38:09 pm »

I believe it's training smiths.
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2012, 04:41:25 pm »

But you can just melt down what you made and reform it. Also trains you furnac operators and wood burners if you do that, because you have to make more charcoal. If you request it from caravans, or make z-level tree farms, you won't really run low on wood to burn (and you'll upset the elves, which is always a plus).
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Re: Saving metal bars with armour
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2012, 04:45:49 pm »

But you can just melt down what you made and reform it. Also trains you furnac operators and wood burners if you do that, because you have to make more charcoal. If you request it from caravans, or make z-level tree farms, you won't really run low on wood to burn (and you'll upset the elves, which is always a plus).
Well you can but why? trash trap components go to shotgun ammo or to retracting spike arrays or to weapon trap arrays.and trash armor goes to never-rotting civilian uniforms.
 
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