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Elite wrestler squad?
« on: September 07, 2012, 12:32:27 am »

Would a squad of all wrestler dwarves, no weapons, be a good idea?
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 12:34:51 am »

Do you think that dwarves need arms?
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 12:56:34 am »

:P Well yeah. But seriously, is this a good idea, or a bad one? Would they be combat effective?
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 01:38:37 am »

I suppose they might strangle goblins to death. Personally I think an elite shield bashing squad would be better.
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 01:44:04 am »

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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 02:21:24 am »

So make 'em a dual wielding shield squad?
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 02:26:10 am »

You can pretrain your soldiers as wrestlers. Once you put a weapon in their hands, stuff dies too quickly for them to get a lot of useful practice in.
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 02:26:56 am »

So make 'em a dual wielding shield squad?
If you've got a lot of marksdwarves, then dual shield squads are excellent fodder to throw on the front line. They can't kill anything but they can't die either.
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 07:45:01 am »

I wouldn't train Wrestling on it's own. However, i find it to be a nice addition to your typical training regimen and it trains armor user faster than sparring with weapons does. I usually have my civilians wrestling every once in a while so they can get at least basic combat abilities.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 07:53:26 am »

Train it for attributes and then give them weapons.
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 11:09:50 am »

If you've got a lot of marksdwarves, then dual shield squads are excellent fodder to throw on the front line. They can't kill anything but they can't die either.
Fast and skilled dwarves can kill goblins even with leather shields, and with the marksdwarf cover the shield squad's role will be cleanup as much as lockdown. Give them a pair of copper shields and they'll be turning bones into putty while the goblins are still conscious.
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 11:24:12 am »

Wrestling is powerful in adventure mode because you use targeted strikes and know to use it to disarm the enemy.  In fort mode your dwarves will be often as not putting the enemy in a 4th-toe jointlock etc.  Wrestlers make OK cannon fodder, and it's a useful cross training skill to get stats, but it's not more effective in combat than arming them.

But like anything, don't take our word for it, go ahead and try it :)

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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 12:31:10 pm »

There's a reason why every military in history has armed their soldiers.

It turns out an armed soldier is more effective in combat compared to an unarmed soldier.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 12:31:34 pm »

Wrestling used to be lethal in 40d versions, since size did not matter for wrestling. One encounter with a dragon left one crossbowdwarf dead, another sans legs, while the dragon got his neck snapped by a wrestler.

Now, not so much.

Adventurer mode, as the previous pos says, it's more useful, especially if you can easily make a chokehold. One turn of choking is often enough to make a foe pass out, which is the same condition as "giving in to pain", meaning every hit is a simple strike, direct hit.
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Re: Elite wrestler squad?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2012, 02:40:57 pm »

Wrestlers make OK cannon fodder, and it's a useful cross training skill to get stats, but it's not more effective in combat than arming them.
It's useful for getting out of holds and for keeping the dwarf attached when biting and it's trained as a side effect of training unarmed and shieldless to try and force armour training, but for the most part any enemies that are larger than humanoid are really, really big and can't be offensively wrestled.

Considering how easy it is to get hold of weapons in DF and how good they are compared to nothing at all, wrestlers are only OK if you need a military dwarf on the spot. If you have time to arm them with anything at all, do so.
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