Jesus Christ.
This is what I get for the first day in a BM.
Kamin: What do you think the most scummy thing someone can do is?
Q2: OMGUS.
Q2: OMGUS. Yeah, I agree with you.
Pfffft, silly noobs.
Only terrible players OMGUS without reason. If someone OMGUSes but otherwise has good reasons for their vote, then it doesn't really matter that it's an OMGUS.
Jim Groovester: Did you ever think that newbie from BM27 would be ICing with you in a future game? Also, if you were a godfather and there was a guaranteed cop in the game, would you modify your gameplay?
Talent's easy to spot. I didn't specifically think, "One day, this
kid is going to be an IC alongside me someday," but it was pretty easy to see that if you stuck with the game you'd do pretty well.
They grow up so quickly. Brings tears to my eye.
As to your question, hell no. I like to think I play a pretty good scum game, so getting a result of town on me as Godfather would be a tremendous advantage. And as an IC, I'm probably higher on the list of targets to be inspected than other players, as demonstrated last Beginner's Mafia with Deathsword inspecting me.
I'm not going to answer that question. Mainly because if I do then I'm dead. If I said for example "I say -Player- because -reasons-" then the scum will just kill -Player- and then the next day you'd say something along the lines of "When I asked -Question- on day 1 you said -Player- and now they're dead. You obviously had something to do with it." Sorry but that seems like a really dangerous question to answer.
Paranoia like this is usually an obstacle in mafia.
Scum teams rarely connive like you're giving them credit for. Read any scum chat. They're almost always more worried about getting detected and avoiding being lynched than trying to think of tricky ways to dupe the town and supervillainous plotting.
That's not to say it doesn't happen, but for the most part it's usually not worth bothering with.
I'd like you to answer those questions, king.
Hell of a way to start off the game, by demanding someone answer the questions they themselves asked.
Why did you ask kingfisher111111111111112 to do that?
Any town role. I'm obvious when I'm scum.
Are you this obvious?
@Jim, D2, you got a guilty on somebody. What do you do to convince the others to lynch that guy? Or do you wait to make your move? (no need to claim).
If the evidence is there to lynch him and it's good evidence, then I do that.
Otherwise, I'd consider claiming my result immediately.
@Wrex, I was just asking. And I'm not being agressive at all... you think that? Does everybody thinks I'm being agressive?
Why are you worried about this?
Being aggressive isn't a problem. You should strive to effectively scumhunt and be aggressive while you do so.
You're kind of freaking out. Why? People figure out you're scum?
If you weren't inexperienced I'd probably be voting you for this.
That's why. "I'm obvious when I'm scum." Tell me that isn't the scummiest thing that's been said all game.
You say it is, but how about you tell me
how it is.
Jim and Shakerag: I have to believe that the Scum has at least one experienced player, so I just want to ask you two one question. If you were town, what would your number one scumtell be?
That's not really an assumption you can safely make.
I can't really say that there's a #1 scum tell that gives a player away 100% of the time. I can list a bunch of scumtells I think give away players a majority of the time, but it's never a sure thing with scum tells.
Panicking under pressure, voting with poor or no reasons, lazy bandwagoning, showing little interest in hunting, intentionally avoiding answering questions, are all scum tells I think strongly indicate that a player is scum. There are others I'm probably forgetting.
Jim, as one of the most experienced players here, how do you plan on reconciling your role in giving advice with your need to avoid the impression that you are scummerifically masterminding the downfall of this hapless newbie town, you scummy scum?
This question was asked before I delivered my speech, but I answer it by pointing out that I am honor-bound to provide genuine advice even if it's at cost to me.
And I can do both, mastermind a scum victory and give genuine advice. Easily. If I do it right, I won't give the impression that I'm masterminding anything, because that would naturally be detrimental to actually winning the game as scum.
And it takes little effort to win as scum in a Beginner's Mafia. No need to mastermind anything. It's easy to win when no one knows what the hell they're doing.
I'm suggesting that he might serve the town better dead than alive, yes. A dead Jim is still our IC, minus all of his potential scummery.
That's not an argument to lynch me. That's not an argument to lynch anyone.
You need a reason to think somebody is scum. You can't vote players based on how dangerous they are.
Assuming this setup? No. If I know there's a doctor, then possibly; but even then, what guarantees that the doctor believes me and saves me N2? Halving the ranks of the scum is attractive, but I don't think it would be worth losing the cop for the rest of the game.
I'd actually seriously recommend claiming immediately on finding a guilty result. In this setup, it's impossible for anyone except mafia to come up guilty, so if you get a guilty result as Cop you know
for certain that that player is scum.
Finding the final scum is considerably easier once the first one flips, so even though it's likely a cop will die immediately after claiming, on the whole I think it's a plus.
Jim, Another question: You're scum and your noobly partner has basically bungled up D1, OMGUSing and WIFOMing all over heaven. What advice do you give him? How badly does he have to eff the scum game up before you simply bus him and move on?
I first tell him to stay calm, because staying calm is the single best thing a scum player can do. And then I tell him to stop being paranoid, that if he answers questions well he can totally salvage his situation, and then I tell him he needs to start looking like he's hunting, but not in a way that looks like it's in reaction to external pressure.
Then I tell him to take my advice on how to scumhunt and such.
Since it's Day 1 in a Beginner's Mafia, I can probably avoid bussing him, and if it's possible to avoid bussing without giving myself away then that's what I would do. In any other game, he'd be dead.
PPE:
Jim is alive! Please answer my questions, good sir, or i shalt lynch thee forsooth.
Can't lynch me if you don't vote for me.
Which you did lines above this statement.
Is there any reason why all your questions directed towards me are from the scum perspective?
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Was it really necessary to respond to Kamin sentence by sentence?
Honestly, I have trouble following what the hell you're getting at, and since I've already been at this for four hours I don't really feel like spending any more time trying to figure it out.
I harp on this a lot in Beginner's Mafias, but only because I think it's important: You should be trying to communicate your points as effectively as possible for the purpose of convincing everyone that your targets' are the right ones for the lynch. When you deconstruct it sentence by sentence, you may think you're doing a scathing attack, but in actuality nobody knows what the hell you're talking about.
You need to remember that the players in this game don't have infinite time to read everything, so the faster and easier you get your points across the faster everyone can play this game. Since forum mafia's already take forever, every little bit helps. So I strongly recommend you respond concisely and list your points in as concise manner as feasible.
Taking five questions at once is a lot of pressure, and a lot of exposure for a shifty person like you to try and deal with. Looking back, you're right: no one was directly accusing or voting you. But for a player with more than one game under their belt, I find it interesting that your first vote out of the gate was a bandwagon on poor, language-hampered (feigned or not), vulnerable mark.
Check your facts, eager beaver. This is Kamin's first game.
I think. In any case, I've been IC for the past thirteen out of fifteen games, and this is the first I've seen him, so I think it's a fair bet it's his first time.
[non-Dariush] IC's, I'd like some insight into the merits and pitfalls of a D1 lynch for the town in this setup. Seven of us have a one-in four chance of picking a scum; should we act on D1 or not?
- Best case, we nail scum and the game gets weird, assisted 6 v 1 on D2.
- Worst case, we nail a townie power role and drop to a dangerous, unassisted 5 v 2 on D2.
- Average situation, though, is we go into D2 with an assisted 5 v 2, hopefully with a cop having picked or cleared a critical player on N1 and surviving.
Is that better than just going 6 v 2 on D2? I'm definitely EC in this regard and would love to hear your analysis.
Lynching is always better than not lynching. As town, the lynch is how you win the game. If you choose not to use it you severely handicap yourself.
I like to say that the lynch's primary purpose is investigative, because that's what you should be using it as: confirmation of whether you top suspect is scum or not. Its secondary purpose (erroneously listed as its primary purpose) is to remove players from the game, which is how the town wins. By considering it as an investigative tool, you make sure that you use to constantly refine and reconsider your suspicions so that hopefully you end up lynching scum.
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