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[Bookthras]

The Power Boosts boosted someone's abilities.

And we got them all! That was fun, two wolves self-lynched, and still the wolves won. That's amazing right there.

Bookthras basically got to use his power on himself.

I went all Klein-bottle on their asses. When I saw that I knew I had to bust through Jim's protection, just for the laugh factor. Protection-shmotection, I say!


No other questions I can think of remain unanswered. I am glad to see my fellow wolves also won. Good game!

[Shakerag]

Well, I'm glad I wasn't able to communicate more after death, or I would have lost it for us =P

My initial thought was that if someone willingly sacrificed themselves, that would be a key to being judged worthy.  Whoops.  Funny that the devil got taken out by random chance.

When I saw the bit about Org feeding off my anger after my death, I figured he was some kind of doomspeaker that got powered off of souls, and needed a certain number to win.  I was mentally screaming at Bookthras to kill him off somehow.  Sorry, Org!

I also thought, with the whole sacrifice bit and the judging and all, that the way to win was to have two team members sacrifice themselves and then the last remaining member touched an orb to be judged worthy.  Also, apparently, not correct. 

[Urist Imiknorris]

Welp.

But we were right - it should have been destroyed.

[Jim Groovester]

Uh.

But.

Uh.

That was a lot more bastard than I was expecting.

[Urist Imiknorris]

And I basically solved it. I don't care what anyone else thinks, I feel good about claiming all that. Book's reaction sealed it.

[Toaster]

Quite the enjoyable game!   Good work on Jim for figuring out the Skeleton was a game feature.

That was a lot more bastard than I was expecting.

I don't think so- we had three teams and two solos, each with mostly-defined wincons.  The only real bastardness was if exclusive teams made it to the end.

[Bookthras]

And I basically solved it. I don't care what anyone else thinks, I feel good about claiming all that. Book's reaction sealed it.

Absolutely, that was very cool of you both to think and to share. It was like the scales fell from my eyes. In retrospect, it was so obvious, but it's only so after someone thinks of it first!


Speaking of which, what do people (especially my fellow wolves, but everyone else too) think about that last minute decision between the Ghoul and the Wolf about the door?

The context: once Imiknorris died, the door opens, and a few seconds later I get this PM from Meph and subsequent conversation:

The way to the Tablet is clear. You must now decide, do you work with the Ghoul, or do you try to betray him and ensure that you are the one to get the Tablet. You have no idea if he will work with you, nor if the Tablet can be possessed by more than one of you.

You semi-bastard. So close, and yet may lose it all at the last second... How do I make my decision about this known? PM to you, or on thread? Can what I say here contradict what I say there (and if so, I assume PM takes precedence, yes?)

You can say whatever you want in the thread, but your final decision must be via PM to me.

I work with the Ghoul. I shall not kill him.

I agonised about this for a bit... what would others have done? Tiruin, did you know anything else about it?

[IronyOwl]

Yeah, figured as much on the teams thing.

Also, Org contacted me asking what I'd learned. I suspected by that point that there was no "town," as such, but I decided to tell him anyway in hopes of keeping up appearances and because it was the only hope for my own team getting the info. And because I didn't have a whole lot of faith in him/his team figuring out anything useful from it.

So yeah, was hoping Org'd get lynched for refusing to pass that along. Oh well.

PPE: Tiruin: yes, it seems that way. Lived happily everafter as slaves of some mummy king. 8-P

I was an SK. I still am an SK.

Hence, all that. Who believed me there?

The posting restriction garbage was so nobadwrong. "I have to post like this! Well okay that was a lie, but it was a lie for scumhunting!" is pretty much the quintessential noobscum panicking move.

I agonised about this for a bit... what would others have done? Tiruin, did you know anything else about it?

Oho, prisoner's dilemma, eh?

I'd say you made the right choice. Risky, yeah, but you either encourage working together and hoping it works out or encourage murdering each other and... I dunno, hoping a werewolf is tougher than a ghoul, I guess.

[Tiruin]

The way to the Tablet is clear. You must now decide, do you work with the Ghoul, or do you try to betray him and ensure that you are the one to get the Tablet. You have no idea if he will work with you, nor if the Tablet can be possessed by more than one of you.

You semi-bastard. So close, and yet may lose it all at the last second... How do I make my decision about this known? PM to you, or on thread? Can what I say here contradict what I say there (and if so, I assume PM takes precedence, yes?)

You can say whatever you want in the thread, but your final decision must be via PM to me.

I work with the Ghoul. I shall not kill him.

I agonised about this for a bit... what would others have done? Tiruin, did you know anything else about it?

Well, perhaps...

Spoiler: Perhaps? We were asking the same questions! (click to show/hide)

The way to the Tablet is clear. You must now decide, do you work with the Werewolf, or do you try to betray him and ensure that you are the one to get the Tablet? You have no idea if he will work with you, nor if the Tablet can be possessed by more than one of you.

Oh, you. 

Even this has a choice?!

I-...is it possible to confer with him in-thread, first?

Oh, you. 

Even this has a choice?!

I-...is it possible to confer with him in-thread, first?

Of course. But your final decision must be PM'd to me. After all, neither of you can truly know what the other will do.

Also...does our wincon still matter, or did it just...change. Meaning, is it susceptible to shift with what would happen?

Also...does our wincon still matter, or did it just...change. Meaning, is it susceptible to shift with what would happen?

Your Wincon has not changed. There is a chance it could change depending on what happens.

There isn't a strict time limit, but I'd rather you guys didn't spend days deliberating.

Hnnng.

Either I choose to backstab him, and possibly win the game as an SK, OR I work with him and somehow win(?) [if tablet doesn't screw me up] the game as an SK with a...town faction-type.

These decisions. Either this is deviating from the normal Mafia win or...

I need a bit of time to think.

* Tiruin takes a deep breath.

Work with the Werewolf.

That wincon.

Like I said, I knew nothing about what would happen on the Orbs, nor did I know about my unlynchyness, or anything else. I wondered why I was still alive D4...

So in my mental eye, I was partly flailing around.

And I have to admit, it was damn courageous of UI to do that claim. Though, he messed up in calling out the 'DESTROY YE TABLET' part, I guess.

PPE: Tiruin: yes, it seems that way. Lived happily everafter as slaves of some mummy king. 8-P

I was an SK. I still am an SK.

Hence, all that. Who believed me there?

The posting restriction garbage was so nobadwrong. "I have to post like this! Well okay that was a lie, but it was a lie for scumhunting!" is pretty much the quintessential noobscum panicking move.

But I wasn't panicking -_- . I couldn't see how a posting restriction lie came along with whatever role I had, town or not, so I tried to push my luck.

[IronyOwl]

PPE: Tiruin: yes, it seems that way. Lived happily everafter as slaves of some mummy king. 8-P

I was an SK. I still am an SK.

Hence, all that. Who believed me there?

The posting restriction garbage was so nobadwrong. "I have to post like this! Well okay that was a lie, but it was a lie for scumhunting!" is pretty much the quintessential noobscum panicking move.

But I wasn't panicking -_- . I couldn't see how a posting restriction lie came along with whatever role I had, town or not, so I tried to push my luck.

So why'd you say you had a posting restriction in the first place?

[Tiruin]

So why'd you say you had a posting restriction in the first place?

Attracting attention...I think I forgot my main reason behind that, but just to see any patterns and causes behind them before UI did his claim. I was suspecting factions when I saw the dead beforehand.

[IronyOwl]

Ah.

[Toaster]

You really think a revived SK has to work for attention?


UI:  I think your claim was not a bad move, though too bad it didn't work out for us in the end.


Also, I retract what I said about not being very bastardly.  The prisoner's dilemma was a nice touch.  What would IO have found out?


Overall, good game!

[Mephansteras]

Night Two the Sage would have learned that Sacrifice brings power.

Night Three the Sage would have been given an image that depicts a Nobleman on a throne surrounded by servants while four slaves kneel before four glowing Orbs.

[Bookthras]

Meph: about Tiruin's N3 action:

--
Tiruin - Kill Jim Groovester (And sample the water), Kills

You sample the water in the bowl. It is fresh and clean. Moreso than you would expect from this place. Interesting.

You creep through the necropolis, your path somehow clear even through you shouldn't know where Jim is staying. And yet...you do. It seems you are being guided somehow. Odd...and a bit disquieting.

However, you find his room without any trouble. Unfortunately, someone else has already done your work for you. He lies on the ground, quite dead, with blood pooled under him. You bash his head in with a rock just to be sure, and then head back to your room.
--

1) What was that about the water in the bowl? What hidden bastardry did you have waiting for us there?

2) Had Tiruin gone for Imiknorris as target, instead of Jim (popular guy, btw! if not for Org's superpower, all three killers would have targeted him N3!), he would have killed him, leaving only Tiruin and I alive D4, yes? If so, how would the day develop? He was unlynchable, but I wasn't about to vote myself, so how would I be compelled to touch an orb?

3) Likewise, if Imiknorris had gone for Tiruin instead of Jim, it'd be just the two of us D4, neither unlynchable, neither suicidal, incompatible wincons... what would have happened?

I was surprised that Tiruin was left alive, though, since he was an unlynchable SK at that point. I figured more people would have tried to kill him.

Mostly because he didn't seem just unlynchable, but unkillable (at least permanently). After what happened N1, I just assumed that if I killed him, he'd just eat another corpse (there were plenty of those) and get back up, so what would be the point? But yes, maybe we were too quick to dismiss it, though it really worked well in the end... depending on your answer to 3) above, not killing Tiruin could even be called optimal.