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Author Topic: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves  (Read 3082 times)

chevil

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New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« on: August 19, 2012, 10:36:57 am »

I had a theory that i could train armor user skill by dropping dwarves so i did some !!SCIENCE!! of droping armored dwarves a z level and the data i gathered is weird. The experiment was carried out in a room that had its floor replaced by a retracting drawbridge on what they had a station order. I dropped them ten times.

Sigun

weapon xp 31923
afterwads 32670
gained 747

fighter xp 32375
afterwards 34506
gained 2131

shield xp 29390
afterwards 30330
gained 940

armor xp 8279
afterwards 8291
gained 12 (this is a depressingly small number)

dodger xp 6855
afterwards 6861
gained 6

Logem

weapon xp 33141
afterwads 33829
gained  688

fighter xp  31125
afterwards 32295
gained 1170

shield xp 32472
afterwards 29235
gained -3237 (How?)

armor xp 7268
afterwards 7314
gained 46

dodger xp 5687
afterwards 5696
gained 9

Ducim

weapon xp 30650
afterwads 30866
gained 216

fighter xp 35489
afterwards 29888
gained -5601

shield xp 30025
afterwards 30186
gained 161

armor xp 6837
afterwards 6866
gained 29

dodger xp 5674
afterwards 5674
gained 0

Zan

weapon xp 32394
afterwads 32973
gained 579

fighter xp 33545
afterwards 35103
gained 1558

shield xp 32686
afterwards 33018
gained 332

armor xp 9325
afterwards 9358
gained 33

dodger xp 6535
afterwards 6541
gained 6

Right now i have two theories. First is that i am bad with !!SCIENCE!! and the other is that Dwarf Fortress is even weirder than i thought. Morre testing will be done as soon i have time.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 10:57:10 am »

There might be something to this. 

My current fort has a dodge-me trap for goblins that goes 4 Z-levels down onto a set of spikes (some tiles fixed and some on a repeater lever.)  I keep noticing "standard" goblins going into it and transforming into master level goblins from the fall and initial spiking.  The combat logs even show the title change - crossbow goblin to hammer lord.

I haven't started dropping recruits into it yet since the goblins become masters, but also accumulate multiple broken bones and various cuts from the experience as well.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 02:31:01 pm »

It makes sense, in a way... part of it, at least. I could see it raising armor, but most of that surprises me. Especially the freak -2k shield xp - I have no idea what happened there.

Really, though... What is the advantage of dropping dwarves as opposed to danger rooming them?
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 02:46:20 pm »

What are the combat logs like? It looks like the game is counting the impact as an attack and the dwarves are launching counterstrikes against the floor.

And the poor armor results are because the dwarves are preventing their landings with their weapons most of the time, occasionally their shields, and their armor last. Even then, you're only gaining XP for those body parts that land first and only for whatever piece of armor deadens the impact.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 02:50:44 pm »

the dwarves are launching counterstrikes against the floor.

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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 07:08:45 pm »

Dodge gain?

Sorry Son, I don't think you can quite dodge gravity yet. ;D

And indeed, as Ubiq said it seems they're blocking the ground with their weapons, so remove the weapons and they'll probably try to use their shield instead.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 07:11:31 pm »

I suspect that the drop in XP of shield user and other skills is due to brain damage, because you dropped them dozens of feet onto hard stone floor.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2012, 07:25:13 pm »

the dwarves are launching counterstrikes against the floor.

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Haha The floor is attacking? What is this, Ultima III?
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 07:41:57 pm »

Fighter, so skilled with swords that he is capable of blocking the ground
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 07:58:24 pm »

So skilled...or so stupid?
Dwarves probably qualify as both.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 09:04:07 pm »

They're too stupid to know they shouldn't be that skilled.

...Although, Thief's right, that does make sense. If Fighter can use his skill to cancel the force of a giant monster's fist meeting his sword, then he should be able to use his skill to cancel the force of the ground meeting his sword.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2012, 09:13:41 pm »

The planet is a LOT bigger than a monster's fist.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2012, 09:54:24 pm »

But it isn't the planet that has momentum, it's Fighter. Ergo, size doesn't matter except as it affects gravity's pull.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2012, 10:01:19 pm »

The planet is a LOT bigger than a monster's fist.
Planet, monster fist... both of them should have enough force to move an object that weighs 250lb, but they don't.
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Re: New kind of danger room and the experience of falling dwarves
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 12:35:27 pm »

My theory was that since armor can protect from fall damage falling should increase armor skills but these results are just plain weird.
This time i dropped them five times but i suspect that some of them cheated and fell less. The small increases in social skills can be explained by the small time they spend idling between falling and bridge being reset.
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edit-not all dwarves fell five times you can tell how many times they fell by counting the no longer stunned messages.
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